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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    no i got the point,i already know about that case,and the verified number of illegal voters,and the 4700 potential illegal voters,i just for the life of me cant remember which election it was or the names of the politicians involved.
    You are talking about CA-46 I believe. Without a doubt Bob Dornan's loss to Loretta Sanchez in 1996 was full of voter fraud by illegals.

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    There were clearly large numbers of illegal voters. But whether 400, or 4000, as Bob was falling out of favor with all, and got whupped more proper in '98, it never got high enough on the radar.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Thanks for stepping in. I'm already suffering from carpal tunnel from b-slapping Grim repeatedly, so the rest is appreciated.
    Oh you have been doing so much "slapping" your carpal tunnel is flaring up alright, just not to anyone besides yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You are talking about CA-46 I believe. Without a doubt Bob Dornan's loss to Loretta Sanchez in 1996 was full of voter fraud by illegals.

    Sound Politics: The Sour Lesson Of Bob Dornan's Defeat

    There were clearly large numbers of illegal voters. But whether 400, or 4000, as Bob was falling out of favor with all, and got whupped more proper in '98, it never got high enough on the radar.
    Actually not only was that already posted in this thread, but a couple of other articles related to Doran and voter fraud were too. The assembled morons repeating the same thing over and over again paid all of it no mind at all, illustrating that you can lead a moron to water, but he'll just piss in it and say it taste sour.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Actually not only was that already posted in this thread, but a couple of other articles related to Doran and voter fraud were too. The assembled morons repeating the same thing over and over again paid all of it no mind at all, illustrating that you can lead a moron to water, but he'll just piss in it and say it taste sour.
    Yeah? How sour is it? Probably wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't dropped a deuce in it, too.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Thanks for stepping in. I'm already suffering from carpal tunnel from b-slapping Grim repeatedly, so the rest is appreciated.
    No problem, it's the SOS, just different players...LOL


    It's telling when one party makes a concerted effort to suppress voting by passing laws to reduce poll hours, curtail early voting, having to present specified forms of identification in order to cast a ballot (rather than any ol' ID), restrictions on registering new voters, etc., for no justifiable reasons.

    Lawmakers should be doing everything possible to encourage and make it easier for our citizens to participate in elections, not throwing up unnecessary hurdles.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    No problem, it's the SOS, just different players...LOL


    It's telling when one party makes a concerted effort to suppress voting by passing laws to reduce poll hours, curtail early voting, having to present specified forms of identification in order to cast a ballot (rather than any ol' ID), restrictions on registering new voters, etc., for no justifiable reasons.

    Lawmakers should be doing everything possible to encourage and make it easier for our citizens to participate in elections, not throwing up unnecessary hurdles.
    Adam, this is addressed to you also...

    What is the process that makes people like you buy into the partisan BS you're being fed, to the point where you support voter fraud and illegal immigration?
    How can you in good conscience oppose efforts to prevent voter fraud and illegal immigration... I mean, how do you sleep at night publicly supporting lying and cheating in the name of politics?
    When did you start aligning yourself with Communists and Marxists, and become active in trying to see America destroyed?
    When did you start hating America?

    I just want to understand how someone becomes like you all, so maybe we can prevent such hatred from infecting future generations of Americans.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Adam, this is addressed to you also...

    What is the process that makes people like you buy into the partisan BS you're being fed, to the point where you support voter fraud and illegal immigration?
    How can you in good conscience oppose efforts to prevent voter fraud and illegal immigration... I mean, how do you sleep at night publicly supporting lying and cheating in the name of politics?
    When did you start aligning yourself with Communists and Marxists, and become active in trying to see America destroyed?
    When did you start hating America?

    I just want to understand how someone becomes like you all, so maybe we can prevent such hatred from infecting future generations of Americans.
    One of the most obvious issues with some posters at DP is they are just here to masturbate. If you post contradictory evidence or data or in the case of this thread, repeated proof that there is an issue in the first place, the masturbaters just ignore it on go on slapping their ponies. Same thing with regard to claims that passing voter ID laws will create "voter suppression" and "disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters". Neither has occurred where these new laws have been passed. These nagging little realities are uncomfortable and unpleasant for zealots to confront much less acknowledge. To incorporate nagging realities that contradict the script you keep reading from means to have to admit you are reading from a script or just repeating a mantra. I can't really speak to BWG's case, but in the case of AdamT, you are presented with a poster that is incapable of being intellectually honest. Simply put each time he has had one of his obtuse *points* debunked, each time he has been shown that not only does voter fraud exist but that all of his claims have also long passed their shelf life? He just ignores it all and repeats all the same arguments that he knows have not panned out for him and that have been debunked, dismissed and disproved by dozens of posters citing twice as much data across several threads. pbrauer syndrome.

    The real matter here IMO Grim, is that just like in the case with pbrauer, you are a masochist who enjoys having these idiotic arguments over and over with posters you know are constitutionality incapable being honest. I get the distinct impression that I could use a time machine and jump to a year from now in time, and you will be here at DP having this exact same argument down to whom you are having it with. Which kind of supports my theory about the masturbatory nature of some DP posters. Just sayin.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Adam, this is addressed to you also...

    ...you support voter fraud and illegal immigration....
    I'll just stop at the

    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    ...you are a masochist who enjoys having these idiotic arguments over and over with posters you know are constitutionality incapable being honest.
    I look at posters like Pete and Adam as horribly misguided people that for what ever reason, are convinced that their political beliefs are valid. I have these same conversations over and over with them, because I refuse to believe that they are incapable of waking up and realizing how dangerous the policies they embrace really are. In other words, I don't want to give up on them and I'm trying my best not to do so.




    I get the distinct impression that I could use a time machine and jump to a year from now in time, and you will be here at DP having this exact same argument down to whom you are having it with. Which kind of supports my theory about the masturbatory nature of some DP posters. Just sayin.
    You seem to agree with my view on this issue, but yet you look down your nose at me like I'm a fool. If that's the case, then why bother responding to my posts at all?

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I look at posters like Pete and Adam as horribly misguided people that for what ever reason, are convinced that their political beliefs are valid. I have these same conversations over and over with them, because I refuse to believe that they are incapable of waking up and realizing how dangerous the policies they embrace really are. In other words, I don't want to give up on them and I'm trying my best not to do so.






    You seem to agree with my view on this issue, but yet you look down your nose at me like I'm a fool. If that's the case, then why bother responding to my posts at all?
    I've never said you are a fool. In fact I can tell by the names of posters that *like* anything that any opponent of yours in any thread says to you, a lie, a group of lies, hell they could just post mummer to you, and a certain group of names always pops up that "likes" the lie, the group of lies, the personal ad homs, the mummers. Names like AdamT, Catawba, PeteEU, Middleground, Hazelnut, ..... to keep the list short. I realize this is because you have presented arguments and information they could not rebut and which really pissed them off. However, I do think you are a masochist and I've said so to you before with regard to pbrauer. Unlike most everyone of the names I just listed that just loves and needs to "like" anything said to you by anyone else, no matter how mind numbingly idiotic it is, you have the capacity to admit from time to time where you were wrong or made a mistake. Probably another thing that drives them nuts about you.

    All of that said, a lot of the time these people that you don't want to give up on? They are not misguided. They know exactly what they are doing and do so with glee whenever you post. They even know what they are saying is BS, they know when they are just acting out and they know precisely what to say to punch your buttons and thus generate more comments that can be "liked" by the peanut gallery. Hell, I even bet that in many cases they not only agree with your arguments, but don't bother to present the ones they make to you, to a single person in the real world. People on the internet are funny like that, they will say and post all sorts of things they would never want a single person that knows them in the real world to be aware of. Least they be judged a lunatic.

    So yeah, I think you have a masochistic streak in you. Sue me.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I look at posters like Pete and Adam as horribly misguided people that for what ever reason, are convinced that their political beliefs are valid. I have these same conversations over and over with them, because I refuse to believe that they are incapable of waking up and realizing how dangerous the policies they embrace really are. In other words, I don't want to give up on them and I'm trying my best not to do so.
    Actually, I have no problem with a voter proving there are a citizen of the US and the State, I want only valid citizens voting. I believe this should be done when they register to vote.. To me, a signature is better than any picture. A signature must be produced in real time and cannot be phonied. Picture Id's can be fraudulent, and I seriously doubt the poll person looks at them all that close. And once the picture is shown and put away the evidence is gone. The signature on the roll is the real evidence. My problem with the new laws is that for some reason or other people who have voted for years may get disenfranchised.

    Here in Oregon we vote by mail. Each ballot is placed into a "secrecy envelope" by the voter and must be signed and that is placed into a mailing envelope which can be either mailed or dropped off at collection place. The signature on each and every ballot is checked against the signature the person used when registering. Since the ballots are in the "secrecy envelope" this can be done before election day. On election day the envelopes are opened and tallied. Ballots are mailed to the voters about to weeks prior to the election.

    I think it is a great system, although the GOP doesn't like it because people are encouraged to vote.

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