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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    There are already laws prohibiting non-citizens from voting. By all indications they are working just fine.
    What do you make of this?

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting, and I'd note that the author is behind a ton of this pro-voter ID literature. Sort of like citing Al Sharpton on an issue of affirmative action....

    Hans A. von Spakovsky (born March 11, 1959) is an American attorney and a former member of the Federal Election Commission (FEC). He was nominated to the FEC by President George W. Bush on December 15, 2005 and was appointed by recess appointment on January 4, 2006.[1]

    However, von Spakovsky's nomination was opposed by Senate Democrats, who argued that his oversight of voter laws was unacceptably partisan and that he had consistently acted to disenfranchise poor and minority voters.[2][3] Opposition to the nomination was bolstered by objections from career Justice Department staff, who accused von Spakovsky of politicizing his nominally non-partisan office to an unprecedented degree.[4]

    While von Spakovsky and the Bush Administration denied the accusations of partisanship, the nomination was withdrawn on May 15, 2008.[5] Von Spakovsky subsequently joined the staff of the Heritage Foundation, a politically conservative think tank.

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    Von Spakovsky received his recess appointment by President Bush to the FEC in January 2006. His confirmation hearings were contentious, as Democratic Senators criticized von Spakovsky's Justice Department tenure and accused him of partisanship.[11] A group of career Justice Department staff wrote a letter to the Senate arguing against von Spakovsky's appointment, saying that he "played a major role in the implementation of practices which injected partisan political factors into decision-making on enforcement matters and into the hiring process, and included repeated efforts to intimidate career staff."[12][13][14] In response to questioning from the Senate, von Spakovsky repeatedly asserted that he could not remember or recall his involvement in various controversial Justice Department decisions, drawing comparisons to the testimony of former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    What do you make of this?

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    Nice find... Let me post some of the highlights:

    In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.

    the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

    Following a mayor's race in Compton, California, for example, aliens testi*fied under oath in court that they voted in the elec*tion.

    a 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting... Democrat Lor*etta Sanchez. Sanchez won the election by just 979 votes, and Dornan contested the election in the U.S. House of Representatives. His challenge was dismissed after an investigation by the House Com*mittee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database because they had applied for citizenship, as well as another 124 improper absentee ballots. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.

    a federal grand jury in 1984 that found large numbers of aliens regis*tered to vote in Chicago... The U.S. Attorney at the time estimated that there were at least 80,000 illegal aliens registered to vote in Chicago, and dozens were indicted and convicted for registering and voting.

    Now for the grand finale'... The two money quotes:

    Those who ignore the implications of non-citizen registration and voting either are willfully blind to the problem or may actually favor this form of illegal voting.

    Some Americans argue that alien voting is a non*existent problem or dismiss reported cases of non-citizen voting as unimportant because, they claim, there are no cases in which non-citizens "intention*ally" registered to vote or voted "while knowing that they were ineligible." Even if this latter claim were true—which it is not—every vote cast by a non-citizen, whether an illegal alien or a resident alien legally in the country, dilutes or cancels the vote of a citizen and thus disenfranchises him or her.
    Got it?

    By opposing voter ID's, the left not only supports election and voter fraud, but they are the ones who are actually disenfranchising voters.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting.
    Oh really? I guess you must have skipped over these parts:

    ...the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state

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    ...the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database...

    I suppose your going to say that the "House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform" and the "U.S. Department of Justice" are nothing but a bunch of right wing bigots and racists who are not to be believed... Right Adam?

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting, and I'd note that the author is behind a ton of this pro-voter ID literature. Sort of like citing Al Sharpton on an issue of affirmative action....
    Can you come up with a more credible source than Wikipedia? The dictionary that anyone can edit?

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Oh really? I guess you must have skipped over these parts:




    I suppose your going to say that the "House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform" and the "U.S. Department of Justice" are nothing but a bunch of right wing bigots and racists who are not to be believed... Right Adam?
    Prosecuted does not mean convicted. There have been quite a few of these accusations and they invariably turn up little or nothing. In Texas, for example -- a state with plenty of illegal immigrants -- a multiyear investigation turned up no examples of illegals voting. If it was happening it would be discovered. Also in Texas:

    A good example of "the phamtom menace" can be found by looking at a tight Texas House race in 2004. The outcome was contested, and every vote in question was scrutinized. In the end, out of 41,000 votes cast, only 105 votes were deemed "fraudulent." Of these "fraudulent" votes, 96 were by people voting in the wrong precinct. More importantly, there were no cases of voter impersonation at all.
    Voter impersonation is a phantom worry in Texas - Houston Chronicle
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting, and I'd note that the author is behind a ton of this pro-voter ID literature. Sort of like citing Al Sharpton on an issue of affirmative action....
    awesome now you arefinding excuses to ignore evidence from opposition,but cite one of the most disputed sources as a rebuttle
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    awesome now you arefinding excuses to ignore evidence from opposition,but cite one of the most disputed sources as a rebuttle
    WTF are you talking about? The Houston Chronicle is one of the most disputed sources?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    WTF are you talking about? The Houston Chronicle is one of the most disputed sources?
    you cited wikipedia,now you are denying your own sources like we arent smart enough to go back a few posts and read.

    my god im drunk and i can figure out your farse.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    you cited wikipedia,now you are denying your own sources like we arent smart enough to go back a few posts and read.

    my god im drunk and i can figure out your farse.
    I can believe you're drunk, anyway.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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