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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Cost and inconvience is certainly an issue, but the truth is that you don't even have to get to that point. All we need to know is that there is absolutely no evidence that the existing laws are insufficient to safeguard our elections. To the extent that there is any kind of electoral fraud, it occurs almost entirely in the area of absentee ballots and malfeasance by poll workers -- neither of which are impacted by photo ID laws. Did you know that some states that are requiring IDs for in-person voting DON'T require IDs for absentee voting? How retarded is that? And what about the other states? The ones I've looked at allow you to satisfy the requirement by photocopying an ID. How secure is that? What's the point of requiring a photo when there's nothing to compare it to?
    I've said many times that I doubt fraud is an issue here. We have had non-photo voter ID cards for decades, free and sent to the voter's address when their registration is approved by the Election Board.


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    I'll have to look into how absentee voting is done here. I need to do that anyway, with luck we're going to start traveling next year and may need to use it.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I never denied that it's a challenge to apprehend someone doing it, but it's not that hard to detect when it has been done. That's how we know that it hardly ever happens.
    As the expression goes, some folks just need to Wake the Phuck Up:

    Puerto Rico's Growing Voter Fraud Scandal | Fox News Latino

    .... The bitter contest and recount has already dredged-up evidence of electoral practices that sparked the Electoral Commission investigation and may lead to a charges of criminal wrongdoing. It laid bare a practice of "vaciado de listas," where people were recorded as having voted that never went to the polls or were deceased.
    So let me guess. This is an almost never happens, but maybe once in Puerto Rico, isolated problem

    Of course, come folks do not care to WT'P'U.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    [...] As my old friend pointed out we get our voters cards for free (have for many years) and delivered by USPS. [...]
    The GOP is working on shutting down that aid to voting as well

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    As the expression goes, some folks just need to Wake the Phuck Up:

    So let me guess. This is an almost never happens, but maybe once in Puerto Rico, isolated problem

    Of course, come folks do not care to WT'P'U.
    Do Puerto Ricans vote for President? Have a seat in Congress? Maybe vote on Constitutional Amendments?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The GOP is working on shutting down that aid to voting as well
    And there's a funny thing about that. The Postal Service actually is right there in the Constitution, not an Amendment. They don't care.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Do Puerto Ricans vote for President? Have a seat in Congress? Maybe vote on Constitutional Amendments?
    Another WTPU moment. They vote in primaries for US national party candidates. And have been offered statehood. But because they do not yet vote in US general elections, and SURELY voter fraud will disappear when they do, their voter fraud is not a valid example ?


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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Another WTPU moment. They vote in primaries for US national party candidates. And have been offered statehood. But because they do not yet vote in US general elections, and SURELY voter fraud will disappear when they do, their voter fraud is not a valid example ?

    I'll take that as a "No, they have no affect on US elections."

    Should we look at Russia next? I'm sure there's lots of good voter fraud dirt over there!
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'll take that as a "No, they have no affect on US elections."

    Should we look at Russia next? I'm sure there's lots of good voter fraud dirt over there!
    That is not the point of either his comment or the question you asked. The point of his comment and the link he supplied was towards the fact that voter fraud does occur. There have been numerous examples of verified voter fraud provided in this thread, and he supplied a report about it too. Deciding to ignore all of it and instead ask if we should start looking to Russia? Not only lame, but just dumb. The question you asked was:
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Do Puerto Ricans vote for President? Have a seat in Congress? Maybe vote on Constitutional Amendments?
    You might not like his answer and you might be embarrassed that you did not know the facts that he presented about Puerto Rico. Don't make it worse by acting silly.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know if it's an issue for young, poor people or not - I didn't look into it and I'm not going to. My main concern is for old people. All too often they get screwed. Even now a lot of old people do not have photo IDs. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I had to use mine. I'd guess it was six years ago when I got my last speeding ticket but not all old people drive.

    I haven't said we should forget the ID's. All I've been saying is we should make sure people can get them easily and cheaply. After talking to this elderly lady I'm done with that and admitted I was wrong to be worried about the cost. There will still be some issues for some old people and there are some States that want to charge for ID's, which is flat-out wrong as far as I'm concerned.

    Where I live, we've had voter ID cards for decades. Other things, including a State photo ID, can be used instead of the voter card. Recent utility bills can also be used but that's pretty rare - I saw a lady use one once in the 30+ years I've been voting. I seriously doubt there's a whole lot of voter fraud here. Sometimes there's voter registration fraud, and the Election Board catches them, too. All that ACORN crap that everybody points at was the Election Board doing it's job. Who do you think caught these people acting stupid?
    Yeah that was obvious. You are certainly to be commended for your concern for old people. Unfounded as it is around this topic. Even now a lot of old people do not have photo ID? Care to cite your source for that? I've never known a single "old person" who did not have one. And I worked with Alzheimer patients for over a decade. I've known older people who had them, but due to hardship exceptions had not been able to go into a DMV to get one with a recent photo placed on their current ID, which frankly did not bother too many of them. Most were pleased to have the younger picture on their ID and had quite a sense of humor about it versus what they looked like now!

    The claim that a lot of old people, in 2012, don't have photo ID's does not pass the common sense test. Plus some other "tribal knowledge" I, like most people, possess. So you will have to share your source for this claim. You are aware that most of the states in America *require* citizens of that state to have a state issued ID if they don't have a drivers license? Seems like that might be news to you based upon your claims.

    The matter of if states have the right to charge fees for ID's is one for another topic entirely, maybe you should consider starting a thread about it sometime?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'll take that as a "No, they have no affect on US elections."

    Should we look at Russia next? I'm sure there's lots of good voter fraud dirt over there!
    Liberals are always blind to the truth just so long as they stay connected to the gubmit teat.

    I expected no less, and certainly no more, from you.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Yeah that was obvious. You are certainly to be commended for your concern for old people. Unfounded as it is around this topic. Even now a lot of old people do not have photo ID? Care to cite your source for that? I've never known a single "old person" who did not have one. And I worked with Alzheimer patients for over a decade. I've known older people who had them, but due to hardship exceptions had not been able to go into a DMV to get one with a recent photo placed on their current ID, which frankly did not bother too many of them. Most were pleased to have the younger picture on their ID and had quite a sense of humor about it versus what they looked like now!
    With luck I"m going to be one someday, and my wife is pushing it. I'd better care!

    Are polling places going to take old photo IDs? If not, if they have to be current, then those old photos are out the window. And every time a person moves they will have to get a new ID - no waiting around a few years or until it's convenient. I waited until my next license renewal to change mine when we moved - why hurry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    The claim that a lot of old people, in 2012, don't have photo ID's does not pass the common sense test. Plus some other "tribal knowledge" I, like most people, possess. So you will have to share your source for this claim. You are aware that most of the states in America *require* citizens of that state to have a state issued ID if they don't have a drivers license? Seems like that might be news to you based upon your claims.
    It is, we don't require it and probably never will.

    Here's the state of affairs here, including the failed attempt in 2006 to make us have a photo ID to vote.
    Lawmakers put photo ID amendment on Mo. ballot

    As for this part of the article: "You can't function in this society without a photo ID," he said. "You need one to rent a movie, get on a plane, cash a check, any number of things."
    Movie? Nope. Netflix doesn't require that.
    Check? What's a check? Oh yeah, that thing I send to my mortgage company each month.
    Plane? Don't fly and have only flown once - before 9/11.
    Any number of things? Last time I showed mine was to a LEO six years ago. LOL!
    Well, and the DMV when I renewed it.

    If that's what you mean by "common sense" I have two examples that defy that right here in my house - except, of course, we do both drive. A lot of people don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    The matter of if states have the right to charge fees for ID's is one for another topic entirely, maybe you should consider starting a thread about it sometime?
    I look at SCOTUS and assume any reasonable State would follow that ruling. I'm still waiting to see how exactly they word our Amendment that's coming up in Nov, maybe. Difference is, WE are voting on it - not the legislature. I might even vote for it once I see the wording.
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