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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Oh, btw....

    The requirements for obtaining a driver's license varies by state. Some states are proposing legislation to prohibit the issuance of state issued identification to individuals who are unable to prove legal immigration status. Conversely, in other states it is possible for an illegal immigrant to obtain a driver's license, as no proof of legal immigration status is required.

    Drivers Licenses and Social Security Numbers for Illegal Immigrants
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's pretty simple, really. If you really wanted to do "as much as possible to prevent unauthorized voting", you would have to do two things: one, you would have to ensure that only people who are legally authorized to vote are registered to vote, and two, you would have to ensure that the people actually casting ballots are registered and that they are who they say they are. A photo ID isn't a particularly secure way of ensuring identity, since fake IDs can be easily obtained. Boatloads of highschool and college students have them and use them every day. Faking a DNA test, or a fingerprint test, OTOH, is very difficult. That's why DNA and fingerprints are MUCH better evidence in court than eyewitness identifications, which are notoriously unreliable. This is why, in Florida, you can't just show an ID to take the bar exam. You actually have to go down the police station and have yourself fingerprinted. Then, when you take the exam, you have to put your thumbprint on the exam booklet. IDs are too easy to fake. If you're just using IDs, you aren't doing "as much as possible to prevent unauthorized voting".

    I'll show you mine if you show me yours. After a five second Google search, here are some online websites where you can easily obtain pretty much any kind of fake ID you want:

    Buy Fake ID Online . Com - Where to buy Fake IDs Novelty Fake Drivers License Identification
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    http://www.youfini****.com/

    Okay, now you post the websites where I can buy fake DNA and fingerprits....



    This is as stupid an argument against Voter I.D.'s as it is that we should do away with driver's licenses.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    In other words, you cannot explain how DNA and fingerprinting can reveal citizenship and primary place of residence, but are too embarrassed to admit it. We understand.
    Yip, our Ivy League "Stellar Debater" is not real good at debate. You notice how often the words "punt" and "reality" keep coming up? A lot of creative options for intelligent replies is not something this Google Commando has a lot of. But he sure can copy urls and paste 'em.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is as stupid an argument against Voter I.D.'s as it is that we should do away with driver's licenses.
    No, it isn't, because no one (like you) asserted that we should do "as much as possible" to ensure driver indentification. Feel free to adjust your premise at any time, though.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Yip, our Ivy League "Stellar Debater" is not real good at debate. You notice how often the words "punt" and "reality" keep coming up? A lot of creative options for intelligent replies is not something this Google Commando has a lot of. But he sure can copy urls and paste 'em.
    What I notice is that you've developed an unhealthy obsession with yours truly. Is there a forum equivalent of a restraining order?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Dude, what is with the Ivy League ****? You can't even get your insults right.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some people Call Tulane the Yale of Louisiana
    ... or the Harvard of the Bayou.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What I notice is that you've developed an unhealthy obsession with yours truly. Is there a forum equivalent of a restraining order?
    But who outside of you cares what you claim to have noticed? You've had a month and several threads now to make some kind of an argument on this topic, instead of several weak attempts at one. Now that you can't even tell us what you think your argument is supposed to be, and after you ran downstairs and embarrassed yourself, you just keep recycling the same material that got you to this point in the thread. You have not noticed you have made an internet hack of yourself or that each post you add just illustrates that you really don't have anything intelligent to say. Every time someone corrects where you keep getting so much so wrong, you just ignore it and perform another pbrauer styled mind wipe on yourself. Again. Then you "come back" with even weaker smack talk than the pabulum you tried to start a basement thread with. You have not "noticed" that you can't explain to a single poster how a single one of the links to your, what is it now? Your 7 studies that supposedly support the three or four different directions you have tried to take your so called arguments in has not exactly convinced anyone to your moronic POV. You are not even passingly familiar with the conclusions of the "studies" you have copied the urls of. The only thing you really have kind of half assed argued in the last few days now is that voters will be inconvenienced by passing ID laws. And you have completely failed to "notice" that nobody much cares or thinks you have an intelligent point. Much like the never materialized disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of voters you keep making a centerpiece of your so called "arguments" following each of your fresh mind wipes, you have not "noticed" that you don't have a point or an argument you can explain or convince anyone is compelling.

    Unfortunately Google Commandos like you always choose to keep arguing and striking furious little poses long past the point where the have proven they are shallow internet harpies.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    I've never seen anyone go to such lenghts to try and justify their support for cheating... He just won't give up.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I've never seen anyone go to such lenghts to try and justify their support for cheating... He just won't give up.
    He is exactly the kind of "Stellar Debater" that ran downstairs and started a thread about me. Now he just claimed I'm obsessed with him. To quote him, you can't make s**t this stupid up.
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