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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    If anyone thinks I've agreed with Grim's theory, raise your hand.
    If you didn't, then you are saying those 5 points you posted are factual.... That makes you a liar... Bye Adam.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    If you didn't, then you are saying those 5 points you posted are factual.... That makes you a liar... Bye Adam.
    Nonsense, per usual. Don't let the door hit you....
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    People too incompetent to have a photo ID are the ones least likely to be able to make a well reasoned choice.
    That is precisely the kind of voters the left is counting on... Well, them and of course illegal aliens, convicted felons, dead people and those who exercise their right to vote as many times as possible each election.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    That is precisely the kind of voters the left is counting on... Well, them and of course illegal aliens, convicted felons, dead people and those who exercise their right to vote as many times as possible each election.
    One, whether someone is informed or not is not a valid criterion for whether they should be allowed to vote. And two, you have NO evidence to back up any of your claims.

    Just as a for-example, Texas, which has a large illegal population, had only five ALLEGATIONS of voter impersonation over the course of two elections in which more than 13 million votes were cast. Texas did not release the result of its investigation (though you can bet they would have if there was really fraud). Cheating rarely seen at polls - San Antonio Express-News

    But you'll obviously stick with your, "I know it's there because they can't find it" theory.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    well i decide to have some fun on google and try and figure out how voter fraud is investigated,and funny enough there doesnt seem to be any results on google showing how they actually check for voter fraud,just studies saying they did it.


    quite funny that we get to know how police investigators come to their conclusions but i couldnt find anything for the methods of determining voter fraud,just 8 million websites on o keefe
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    well i decide to have some fun on google and try and figure out how voter fraud is investigated,and funny enough there doesnt seem to be any results on google showing how they actually check for voter fraud,just studies saying they did it.


    quite funny that we get to know how police investigators come to their conclusions but i couldnt find anything for the methods of determining voter fraud,just 8 million websites on o keefe
    I don't know what the study says or anything else, I just did a little checking about methodology and came up with this on the second or third try.

    Methodology is section 3e I think ... http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...aft_report.pdf
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know what the study says or anything else, I just did a little checking about methodology and came up with this on the second or third try.

    Methodology is section 3e I think ... http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...aft_report.pdf
    according to that study,voter fraud is only investigated if its reported or suspected.it appears on a nationwide level of all the votes cast only a small number are checked for voter fraud,from areas known for fraud and compared to areas not known for fraud.

    oddly enough looking into the methods used,its no surprise that no one investigates thoroughly,as with the many different types of voting systems we have and the number of voters,to actually get an accurate number on voter fraud looks like it would cost billions per election.

    http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/...gistration.pdf

    heres a study that shows how inaccurate our voting system is and even compares it to canadas automated system
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know what the study says or anything else, I just did a little checking about methodology and came up with this on the second or third try.

    Methodology is section 3e I think ... http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...aft_report.pdf
    Same link I posted in #373. Oddly, no one chose to comment about it then.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, I've posted at least seven studies and articles, most of them three or four times. What they show is that most of the people who lack proper ID are poor, and/or minorities, and/or younger people -- all of which groups disproportionately vote Democratic.
    Now the two links to studies you have provided, that you were in command of yet which you can't explain how they "support" the argument you can't even figure out that you are making, has grown to seven? So that makes seven links you looked up on Google but cant read very well or explain a thing about? What next, another seven links you are not familiar with a single thing from?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Pretending that I agree with you when I've written obvious caveats isn't going to get you very far. As far as the evidence you asked for, I've posted it at least four times now. WTF is up with you people?
    Not only can't you post a single "study" that supports your so called "argument", you can't what even say what your argument is supposed to be. The hackery is strong with you, this obviously must be a product of Ivy League education, which you touted as the source of your brilliant "arguments". Only problem is that Romper Room looks more like the source of your education and probably setting the bar a bit high for your "stellar debate skills".

    Now don't worry AdamT, we all know that you will just
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/...gistration.pdf

    heres a study that shows how inaccurate our voting system is and even compares it to canadas automated system
    An interesting study but ...

    Did I miss the part about voter IDs being beneficial?


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    Not that it really matters to me as long as we help the poor get their voter ID's. I was just wondering since I've been following the other line of conversation in this thread.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 04-21-12 at 06:19 PM.
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