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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It wasn't an analogy, for starters. It was the logical extension of Maggie's argument -- that we should do "as much as possible to prevent unauthorized voting".

    The fact is that every study I've ever seen on this topic says that, of the little fraud that actually occurs in our federal elections, almost all of it occurs as a result of malfeasance by poll workers or abuse of absentee ballots. So why aren't Republicans focusing on those problems? Does anyone have a theory?
    quite simply doesnt change the fact it was a logical fallacy on epic proportions
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    There is no proof that voter ID laws suppress anyone. Just a bunch of speculation. You're making the same arguements they made when they started making people register to vote. Yet there is no proof that it suppressed any voters.
    Sorry, but that is bull****. There are many studies that have looked at voter participation before and after voter ID laws were passed and in fact they do show reduced voter participation after the laws passed in most cases. The effect can be reduced or eliminated by providing free IDs and with the help of voter education campaigns, but those seem to be short-term effects.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    quite simply doesnt change the fact it was a logical fallacy on epic proportions
    No, it was not. If you disagree, please explain the fallacy that you see.

    The fact is that any teenager can get a fake photo ID. You can even buy them online. If, as some falsely claim, voter impersonation is a real problem, then voter ID laws are not a poor solution. If you REALLY want to ensure that the person voting is who he says he is, you really need to do a DNA test. I suppose it would be cheaper, though, to do fingerprints or retinal scans. Are the small government conservatives in favor of the government requiring every citizen to submit to a finger print test or retinal scan? Why do Republicans oppose a national ID if they are so concerned about this issue?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sorry, but that is bull****. There are many studies that have looked at voter participation before and after voter ID laws were passed and in fact they do show reduced voter participation after the laws passed in most cases. The effect can be reduced or eliminated by providing free IDs and with the help of voter education campaigns, but those seem to be short-term effects.
    Provide them then. I have yet to see any link that you have posted that wasn't based on speculation or false premises.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    More absurd comments: If you really believe that we're entitled to a system "that does as much as possible to prevent unathorized voting", can I assume you would support a bill that requires everyone in the country to submit a DNA sample, followed by mandatory DNA collection at the polling place? It would probably cost a couple ten billion dollars, but hey, that shouldn't be any consideration if it means eliminating 10 or 20 fraudulent votes, right?
    I just added a much-needed colon, Adam. I know you won't mind.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And like muciti, you've really developed an unhealthy obsession with me. Why don't the two of you go start a thread in the basement where I can properly address your debating style?
    Tell ya what I'll do instead AdamT. Maybe later tonight or tomorrow I will spend oh, it might take 5 minutes or so, I'll go back through the thread for you. Since you need a lot of help. I'll do you the favor of copying and linking you up to what everybody else at DP can see too. The stuff you have posted in the thread. I'll collect all the stuff you have dodged, some of it not for the first time and not just in this thread, and I'll post all of that stuff, the stuff about the topic, the stuff you asked other posters to supply you with, and I'll even post your "replies".

    Should be very illustrative to see how you react to what has collected in the catch basin where youlather rinse repeat adamT.jpg
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Tell ya what I'll do instead AdamT. Maybe later tonight or tomorrow I will spend oh, it might take 5 minutes or so, I'll go back through the thread for you. Since you need a lot of help. I'll do you the favor of copying and linking you up to what everybody else at DP can see too. The stuff you have posted in the thread. I'll collect all the stuff you have dodged, some of it not for the first time and not just in this thread, and I'll post all of that stuff, the stuff about the topic, the stuff you asked other posters to supply you with, and I'll even post your "replies".

    Should be very illustrative to see how you react to what has collected in catch basin where you
    Yeah, you do that, Jr. I'll hold my breath.

    In the meantime I think I'll start that basement thread.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it was not. If you disagree, please explain the fallacy that you see.
    i think you might need to read the definition of the various terms of logical fallacies.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, you do that, Jr. I'll hold my breath.

    In the meantime I think I'll start that basement thread.
    Well goody for you. Have fun with that, don't forget to play something by the Divinyls as you set about your work.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i think you might need to read the definition of the various terms of logical fallacies.
    I think you need to explain what you're trying to argue instead of asking me to make your argument for you.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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