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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    If they are illegals then they won't have any documents to request and there will be no cost involved. So what's the issue?

    Many of them can't and they do get chauffeured to the polls, or were you unaware of this? It's been that way for at least 30 years because that's when I was driving a cab and doing it. The city played a very small part in it, mostly it was charity from the cab company and the drivers. It was a voluntary program for us drivers.

    But that's a different issue than the one-shot registration to vote. It wouldn't need to be continued. Once someone has provided the documents, they'll have the ID and the documents won't be needed again. Since it's such a small group being affected there shouldn't be any kind of burden for us do to this. Again, what's the issue?
    Mo, you misunderstand me. There isn't an issue with me. I completely support and will always advocate for needing to present a state i.d. in order to vote. Sorry if I confused you.

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    Well the thing is, it has been proven that voter ID laws suppress hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes, while they appear to dissuade, at most, a handfull of fraudulent votes. So they make elections less representative, they cost a lot of money, and they inconvenience a lot of people. So generally speaking they are a really bad idea.
    "I didn't vote because I didn't get a state i.d." WTF cares? United States of America voters are entitled to a voting system that does as much as possible to prevent unauthorized people from voting. I can vote in ten different precincts in suburban Chicago on any given election day. Easy peasy. It shouldn't be. That you have a problem with it, that any American has a problem with it, is just unfreakin' believable.

    Voter I.D.'s do not make elections less representative, they do not cost a lot of money, and they would be an inconvenience only to the very small amount of honest people who have neither a state I.D. or a driver's license. What is the left so damned afraid of???
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    Mo, you misunderstand me. There isn't an issue with me. I completely support and will always advocate for needing to present a state i.d. in order to vote. Sorry if I confused you.



    "I didn't vote because I didn't get a state i.d." WTF cares? United States of America voters are entitled to a voting system that does as much as possible to prevent unauthorized people from voting. I can vote in ten different precincts in suburban Chicago on any given election day. Easy peasy. It shouldn't be. That you have a problem with it, that any American has a problem with it, is just unfreakin' believable.

    Voter I.D.'s do not make elections less representative, they do not cost a lot of money, and they would be an inconvenience only to the very small amount of honest people who have neither a state I.D. or a driver's license. What is the left so damned afraid of???
    Sorry Maggie, I was with you until What is the left so damned afraid of???. It is not the left. There are people on the left who, because republicans support it, oppose it. They are not capable of independent thought. Whenever an issue comes up they cannot make a decision until the opposing party or their own party makes a statement. In this case, Adam opposes it because conservatives support it. If conservatives opposed it, he would then support it. But it is not all liberals. Just the blind ones.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Mo, you misunderstand me. There isn't an issue with me. I completely support and will always advocate for needing to present a state i.d. in order to vote. Sorry if I confused you.



    "I didn't vote because I didn't get a state i.d." WTF cares? United States of America voters are entitled to a voting system that does as much as possible to prevent unauthorized people from voting. I can vote in ten different precincts in suburban Chicago on any given election day. Easy peasy. It shouldn't be. That you have a problem with it, that any American has a problem with it, is just unfreakin' believable.

    Voter I.D.'s do not make elections less representative, they do not cost a lot of money, and they would be an inconvenience only to the very small amount of honest people who have neither a state I.D. or a driver's license. What is the left so damned afraid of???
    More absurd comments. If you really believe that we're entitled to a system "that does as much as possible to prevent unathorized voting", can I assume you would support a bill that requires everyone in the country to submit a DNA sample, followed by mandatory DNA collection at the polling place? It would probably cost a couple ten billion dollars, but hey, that shouldn't be any consideration if it means eliminating 10 or 20 fraudulent votes, right?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Sorry Maggie, I was with you until What is the left so damned afraid of???. It is not the left. There are people on the left who, because republicans support it, oppose it. They are not capable of independent thought. Whenever an issue comes up they cannot make a decision until the opposing party or their own party makes a statement. In this case, Adam opposes it because conservatives support it. If conservatives opposed it, he would then support it. But it is not all liberals. Just the blind ones.
    Another wingnut mind reader -- just what the world needs.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Stop right there, because that is one phenomenally huge LIE. As you know I responded to the Heritage article you posted and you have repeatedly, and insistently refused to address my criticism, i.e. you PUNTED. This seems to be your defining style of argument: pretend you've made a point that you haven't ... repeatedly advert back to a point that you never made ... pretend that I haven't addressed what little of substance you've said (very little indeed) ... launch fuor or five uncallled for ad hominem attacks ... and then feign outrage over some pretended offense.
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    Which critique I am still waiting for you to address in your big-boy voice, if you have one....
    As usual, you did another mind wipe and now you need me to explain more elementary stuff to you?
    lather rinse repeat adamT.jpg

    You just constitutionally are incapable of participating on this topic with anything approaching intellectual honesty, aren't you?

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    Have you heard the one about the pot calling the kettle black? You should look that up.
    Eww, watch out. To use his own words, this "stellar debater" is going to reach into his grab bag of internet cliches, dodges and somersaults and "smack" you!
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    More absurd comments. If you really believe that we're entitled to a system "that does as much as possible to prevent unathorized voting", can I assume you would support a bill that requires everyone in the country to submit a DNA sample, followed by mandatory DNA collection at the polling place? It would probably cost a couple ten billion dollars, but hey, that shouldn't be any consideration if it means eliminating 10 or 20 fraudulent votes, right?
    that analogy is completely out of proportion with the topic,thats ok major logical fallacies like that only hurt your cause.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    As usual, you did another mind wipe and now you need me to explain more elementary stuff to you?


    You just constitutionally are incapable of participating on this topic with anything approaching intellectual honesty, aren't you?



    Eww, watch out. To use his own words, this "stellar debater" is going to reach into his grab bag of internet cliches, dodges and somersaults and "smack" you!



    Don't worry, he'll post a link to a blog that will 'splain it all for him.
    And like muciti, you've really developed an unhealthy obsession with me. Why don't the two of you go start a thread in the basement where I can properly address your debating style?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well the thing is, it has been proven that voter ID laws suppress hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes, while they appear to dissuade, at most, a handfull of fraudulent votes. So they make elections less representative, they cost a lot of money, and they inconvenience a lot of people. So generally speaking they are a really bad idea.
    There is no proof that voter ID laws suppress anyone. Just a bunch of speculation. You're making the same arguements they made when they started making people register to vote. Yet there is no proof that it suppressed any voters.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    that analogy is completely out of proportion with the topic,thats ok major logical fallacies like that only hurt your cause.
    It wasn't an analogy, for starters. It was the logical extension of Maggie's argument -- that we should do "as much as possible to prevent unauthorized voting".

    The fact is that every study I've ever seen on this topic says that, of the little fraud that actually occurs in our federal elections, almost all of it occurs as a result of malfeasance by poll workers or abuse of absentee ballots. So why aren't Republicans focusing on those problems? Does anyone have a theory?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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