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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    My feeling is that if someone so motivated to vote that he or she would risk imprisonment for perjury and voter fraud, and/or deportation ... they're probably a lot more patriotic than most actual Americans.
    So does that mean you support non citizens voting in federal elections?

    Do you support not showing ID for getting a loan, opening a bank account, etc?. Same things applies, you risk improsonment for perjury, fraud, etc.

    We all know everyone tells the truth and every persons word is their bond, right?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Your bigoted assumption being that all undocumented aliens are lazy, and pieces of ****.
    I suggest you spend a couple months picking fruit in the blazing sun before you call these people lazy.
    I worked raking and picking blue berries and digging clams many summers. They are still lazy. If they are too lazy to follow the procedure to come here legally than they are lazy. If they cannot respect our laws then they are pieces of ****.

    Obviously many undocumented aliens contribute more to our society than they take from it.
    No they dont. Many LEGAL aliens contribute to our society. The illegals do not contribute more than they take.

    Another bigoted assumption. I can hardly think of a greater sign of respect for our democratic system than risking prison and deportation in order to cast a statistically meaningless vote.
    Do you respect those who risk prison and deportation to bring drugs here? They are risking prison to rape and murder too! Hooray for them. Risking prison to break the law is hardly admirable.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I worked raking and picking blue berries and digging clams many summers. They are still lazy. If they are too lazy to follow the procedure to come here legally than they are lazy. If they cannot respect our laws then they are pieces of ****.
    Wow, you spent a few summers picking blueberries and digging clams!

    Now spend the rest of your life, day in and day out, picking fruit in the blazing sun and you can call those immigrants lazy.

    No they dont. Many LEGAL aliens contribute to our society. The illegals do not contribute more than they take.
    That's just ignorance. In fact, because many undocumented workers pay into social security and medicare via payroll taxes, and can't get those benefits, they end up paying more into the system than they take out of it. In fact, the average undocumented worker pays more in that he or she takes out over all, but they do tend to cost the states money.

    Do you respect those who risk prison and deportation to bring drugs here? They are risking prison to rape and murder too! Hooray for them. Risking prison to break the law is hardly admirable.
    If you had picked more fruit you might know the difference between apples and oranges. Drug dealers sell drugs to make money. They do it for selfish reasons. Voting ... not so much.

    And btw, thanks for the additional bigoted generalizations. Very classy.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    AdamT:
    I don't call migrant farm workers lazy. Many are hard workers. Many are in the US legally, some are not. The discussion of legal or illegal alien workers is for another thread.

    I think you stated voting is important. I agree with you that many citizens do not participate in the process. That is a shame on them.
    What I find facinating is all the rub over an ID for voting. It seems those that oppose voter ID have no issue with proving who you are for other "transactions" that take place in the US. Why is that?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    AdamT:
    I don't call migrant farm workers lazy. Many are hard workers. Many are in the US legally, some are not. The discussion of legal or illegal alien workers is for another thread.

    I think you stated voting is important. I agree with you that many citizens do not participate in the process. That is a shame on them.
    What I find facinating is all the rub over an ID for voting. It seems those that oppose voter ID have no issue with proving who you are for other "transactions" that take place in the US. Why is that?
    Republicans are trying to use voter ID laws to suppress Democratic voter turnout. That's why Democrats have a problem with it.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Republicans are trying to use voter ID laws to suppress Democratic voter turnout. That's why Democrats have a problem with it.
    so all Republicans have ID's and Democrats don't? I cannot agree with your statement. It seems just political pandering then on the Dems part.

    So why don't the Dems have a problem of showing ID for other actions? Are there not poor republicans, are there not minority republicans or indepentents?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Republicans are trying to use voter ID laws to suppress Democratic voter turnout. That's why Democrats have a problem with it.
    To suppress "fraudulent" voter turnout. Regardless of who they vote for.

    Are you suggesting that more fraud occurs with Democrat voters ? Or that more of those unable to obtain proper ID are likely to be Democrat voters ? If the latter, I will note that they have no problem with ID so as to qualify for EBT cards, State and federal housing assistance, buy cigarettes and booze, cash checks ...... etc.

    Point being. Voter ID is all about fraud.

    And it is why the Democrats howl so much about it.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Republicans are trying to use voter ID laws to suppress Democratic voter turnout. That's why Democrats have a problem with it.
    No.... Democrats have manufactured the phony excuse that republicans are trying to use voter ID laws to suppress Democratic voter turnout, so they can squash Republican efforts to protect the integrity of the American electoral process and continue to cheat.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm appalled that, according to Federal law, one doesn't even have to prove citizenship in order to vote. I hadn't thought about it, but it's absolutely ludicrous. W.T.F.?
    I'm gobsmacked. This is the first time in my life that I've heard that federal law says non-citizens can vote. Hell, maybe we should be mailing absentee ballots in the millions all over the American hemisphere and Europe. That is completely ****ed up.

    I thought this whole idiocy about ID's was stupid... I mean, of course, people have to show ID's in order to vote and of course their identities should be verified before they're allowed to vote... now this???

    Just when I thought federal laws could be any stupider...

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    so all Republicans have ID's and Democrats don't? I cannot agree with your statement. It seems just political pandering then on the Dems part.

    So why don't the Dems have a problem of showing ID for other actions? Are there not poor republicans, are there not minority republicans or indepentents?
    I think there have been at least half a dozen threads on this topic, but the bottom line is that most of the people who lack photo IDs just so happen to be in the demographics that normally vote Democratic (lower income, minorities, students).

    So there is virtually no evidence that voter impersonation is a problem, but there is plenty of evidence that voter ID laws reduce primarily Democratic voter turnout. 2 + 2 = ?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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