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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    a little confused i see,as the constitution does not say they arent allowed.the entire argument on your side has been that voter id cards infinge on voters rights,which has really not been proven, [...]
    Actually, the SCOTUS opinion in the Indiana case did imply there was some voter burden but keep in mind Indiana issues free voter ID cards, as noted.

    The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana's cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting. The severity of the somewhat heavier burden that may be placed on a limited number of persons--e.g., elderly persons born out-of-state, who may have difficulty obtaining a birth certificate--is mitigated by the fact that eligible voters without photo identification may cast provisional ballots that will be counted if they execute the required affidavit at the circuit court clerk's office. Even assuming that the burden may not be justified as to a few voters, that conclusion is by no means sufficient to establish petitioners' right to the relief they seek. Pp. 13-16.
    CRAWFORD et al. v. MARION COUNTY ELECTION BOARD et al | FindLaw

    Regardless of that burden, it still upheld Indiana law with free voter ID cards.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Yeah, and keep in mind that Indiana has the fourth worst voter participation levels in the US.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    Yeah, and keep in mind that Indiana has the fourth worst voter participation levels in the US.
    What's that got to do with anything?

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    Yes the hackery is strong with you, eclipsed only by your rank dishonesty. You have not responded to a single thing I or anyone else has posted that debunks you, particularly the post you begged us to answer for you, like oh say "a single example" of voter fraud. Probably you did that because not only was a single example given to you (by more than just me) but multiple ones were supplied. Makes it hard to keep acting like an idiot who has never heard of voter fraud if you have to acknowledge it does exist, much less in direct reply to a challenge from you to supply evidence of it. Your critique of one of the studies I went back and found for you from one of the other threads, ya know that you claimed you had never been shown? First off you could not even follow the basic English to grasp that I never said I had posted that study, but that it had been posted for you in other threads. Well not only was it not the first time you had been shown that study, but just like last time it was shown to you your so called "critique" was downright stupid. You seem to think that just because you can post idiotic replies that really are just you doing your nananananabobo shtick, this makes said reply brilliant, relevant and the work of someone not willing to act like a child. Your critique was dishonest on every level, trying to pretend that the only thing contained in it, or as you feebly tried to say, the "meat of it" was a 1984 NY grand jury case. Which is hardly the case, and of course I guess only you think that if you "dismiss" a well sourced study that has dozens of citations with a blog you have refuted a study! Yeah, it is that asinine, which is how I treated it. What kind of moron looks back upon himself posting a link to a blog and calls it his "critique" of a study? I mean you just never see posters at forums like this pointing to a blog, cribbing from it and claiming the thoughts and words of the author of that linked blog complaining about a single citation in a study, is not only his own critique of the study, but refutation of the study itself. No doubt you think posting blogs is an example of you being a "stellar debater"! Of course that is just you pretending. Again.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    This thread is positive proof that common sense is no longer common.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This thread is positive proof that common sense is no longer common.
    Hey now, we are trying to "refocus" on the subject of voter ID laws here by focusing on Watergate, Iran Contra, Bush v Gore, the Iraq WMD fiasco, the Great Recession and an internet blog that is supposed to pass for AdamT's "critique" on a study he has been exposed to several times!
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Yes the hackery is strong with you, eclipsed only by your rank dishonesty. You have not responded to a single thing I or anyone else has posted that debunks you.
    Stop right there, because that is one phenomenally huge LIE. As you know I responded to the Heritage article you posted and you have repeatedly, and insistently refused to address my criticism, i.e. you PUNTED. This seems to be your defining style of argument: pretend you've made a point that you haven't ... repeatedly advert back to a point that you never made ... pretend that I haven't addressed what little of substance you've said (very little indeed) ... launch fuor or five uncallled for ad hominem attacks ... and then feign outrage over some pretended offense.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Hey now, we are trying to "refocus" on the subject of voter ID laws here by focusing on Watergate, Iran Contra, Bush v Gore, the Iraq WMD fiasco, the Great Recession and an internet blog that is supposed to pass for AdamT's "critique" on a study he has been exposed to several times!
    Which critique I am still waiting for you to address in your big-boy voice, if you have one....
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Stop right there, because that is one phenomenally huge LIE. As you know I responded to the Heritage article you posted and you have repeatedly, and insistently refused to address my criticism, i.e. you PUNTED. This seems to be your defining style of argument: pretend you've made a point that you haven't ... repeatedly advert back to a point that you never made ... pretend that I haven't addressed what little of substance you've said (very little indeed) ... launch fuor or five uncallled for ad hominem attacks ... and then feign outrage over some pretended offense.
    Have you heard the one about the pot calling the kettle black? You should look that up.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Have you heard the one about the pot calling the kettle black? You should look that up.
    And there's the other bobbsey twin.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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