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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    No problem on my end.
    Nor on mine but we seem to be in the minority, which is most of the problem.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So in the cases where the poor can't afford the fees to obtain the required documents you would have no problem ponying up the money to pay those fees?
    (Ed: Or better yet, just not charging them in the first place for the documents?)

    Personally, I think we ought to throw the whole ID system out and go to biometrics but people would really start howling, then.
    You show me someone who doesn't have a state I.D. or a driver's license, and I'll show you a probable illegal who more than likely has no business voting. Next we'll be saying we have to chauffeur voters to the polling booths because some of them can't afford the gas.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You show me someone who doesn't have a state I.D. or a driver's license, and I'll show you a probable illegal who more than likely has no business voting. Next we'll be saying we have to chauffeur voters to the polling booths because some of them can't afford the gas.
    god forbid they walk

    im waiting for liberals to decipher the living constitution in their imagination that the constitution guarantees free gas and cars to low income.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You show me someone who doesn't have a state I.D. or a driver's license, and I'll show you a probable illegal who more than likely has no business voting. Next we'll be saying we have to chauffeur voters to the polling booths because some of them can't afford the gas.
    Nice stereotyping, Mags. Good Lord.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    god forbid they walk

    im waiting for liberals to decipher the living constitution in their imagination that the constitution guarantees free gas and cars to low income.
    Is that in the same part of the Constitution that calls for mandatory government-issued IDs?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You show me someone who doesn't have a state I.D. or a driver's license, and I'll show you a probable illegal who more than likely has no business voting.
    If they are illegals then they won't have any documents to request and there will be no cost involved. So what's the issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Next we'll be saying we have to chauffeur voters to the polling booths because some of them can't afford the gas.
    Many of them can't and they do get chauffeured to the polls, or were you unaware of this? It's been that way for at least 30 years because that's when I was driving a cab and doing it. The city played a very small part in it, mostly it was charity from the cab company and the drivers. It was a voluntary program for us drivers.

    But that's a different issue than the one-shot registration to vote. It wouldn't need to be continued. Once someone has provided the documents, they'll have the ID and the documents won't be needed again. Since it's such a small group being affected there shouldn't be any kind of burden for us do to this. Again, what's the issue?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is that in the same part of the Constitution that calls for mandatory government-issued IDs?
    a little confused i see,as the constitution does not say they arent allowed.the entire argument on your side has been that voter id cards infinge on voters rights,which has really not been proven,so then you argue on a negative saying since theirs insufficient proof of voter fraud its un need,where at the same time there is insufficient proof that it isnt a problem.

    therefore the there isnt proof its a problem argument is on arguing a negative,against a negative.

    well which is smarter,the side which says we should safeguard incase it happens,or the side that says wait until it happens then do something.as a general rule i follow expect the best prepare for the worst,whereas liberals seem to follow the expect the best prepare for the best,remember those fail to plan plan to fail,and prevention only works if its done before the fact,and utterly useless if you wait until the problem occurs to implement.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    a little confused i see,as the constitution does not say they arent allowed.the entire argument on your side has been that voter id cards infinge on voters rights,which has really not been proven,so then you argue on a negative saying since theirs insufficient proof of voter fraud its un need,where at the same time there is insufficient proof that it isnt a problem.

    therefore the there isnt proof its a problem argument is on arguing a negative,against a negative.

    well which is smarter,the side which says we should safeguard incase it happens,or the side that says wait until it happens then do something.as a general rule i follow expect the best prepare for the worst,whereas liberals seem to follow the expect the best prepare for the best,remember those fail to plan plan to fail,and prevention only works if its done before the fact,and utterly useless if you wait until the problem occurs to implement.
    Well the thing is, it has been proven that voter ID laws suppress hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes, while they appear to dissuade, at most, a handfull of fraudulent votes. So they make elections less representative, they cost a lot of money, and they inconvenience a lot of people. So generally speaking they are a really bad idea.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What's truly pathetic is that you have absolutely nothing of substance to say on the topic, but instead are 100% focused (stalker) on me. I gave you a chance to respond to my critique of your study, but you punted. Now you come simpering back to the table trying to pretend that I'm avoiding your trenchant arguments.

    Truly pathetic.
    Yes the hackery is strong with you, eclipsed only by your rank dishonesty. You have not responded to a single thing I or anyone else has posted that debunks you, particularly the post you begged us to answer for you, like oh say "a single example" of voter fraud. Probably you did that because not only was a single example given to you (by more than just me) but multiple ones were supplied. Makes it hard to keep acting like an idiot who has never heard of voter fraud if you have to acknowledge it does exist, much less in direct reply to a challenge from you to supply evidence of it. Your critique of one of the studies I went back and found for you from one of the other threads, ya know that you claimed you had never been shown? First off you could not even follow the basic English to grasp that I never said I had posted that study, but that it had been posted for you in other threads. Well not only was it not the first time you had been shown that study, but just like last time it was shown to you your so called "critique" was downright stupid. You seem to think that just because you can post idiotic replies that really are just you doing your nananananabobo shtick, this makes said reply brilliant, relevant and the work of someone not willing to act like a child. Your critique was dishonest on every level, trying to pretend that the only thing contained in it, or as you feebly tried to say, the "meat of it" was a 1984 NY grand jury case. Which is hardly the case, and of course I guess only you think that if you "dismiss" a well sourced study that has dozens of citations with a blog you have refuted a study! Yeah, it is that asinine, which is how I treated it. What kind of moron looks back upon himself posting a link to a blog and calls it his "critique" of a study? I mean you just never see posters at forums like this pointing to a blog, cribbing from it and claiming the thoughts and words of the author of that linked blog complaining about a single citation in a study, is not only his own critique of the study, but refutation of the study itself. No doubt you think posting blogs is an example of you being a "stellar debater"! Of course that is just you pretending. Again.

    Now I'm stalking you huh? Like I said, never go full retard, no matter how easy and appealing to you the idea is. You were saying something about something "pathetic" were you, stellar debater? Cough cough, Watergate! Cough cough, Iran Contra! You know what will really help you come across as a "stellar debater"? Playing tag team wrestling buddy with Karl. Talk about going full retard.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well the thing is, it has been proven that voter ID laws suppress hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes, while they appear to dissuade, at most, a handfull of fraudulent votes. So they make elections less representative, they cost a lot of money, and they inconvenience a lot of people. So generally speaking they are a really bad idea.
    care to provide proof or just going off opinion?
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