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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont do it because I am not willing to commit voter fraud. Just because I can, doesnt mean I will. Nothing prevents me from doing it is the point. You really are reaching now.
    LOL! That's how criminal laws work! The criminal penalties are obviously sufficient to keep you and 99.999% of the country from attempting fraud.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Nothing to prove either of those two things. I can say the same thing but backward. May eliminate millions of fradulent votes, while they would eliminate dozens of legit votes. I think the real problem here is you dont think that your elected officials of choice could win in a fair election.
    Yeah, except I've posted three studies, packed with statistical data that support my argument. You've posted jack **** to support yours.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Interesting read. Seems to state voter id actually helped voting turnout with no impact on minorities.

    A study by the University of Missouri concluded that voter turnout increased by almost 2% in Indiana in the first election after the introduction of a voter ID law (2006) [3] Counties with higher than average minority, poor or elderly populations displayed no detectable reduction in voter participation. According to the study, “the only consistent and statistically significant impact of photo ID in Indiana is to increase the voter turnout in counties with a greater percentage of Democrats relative to other counties.” [3]

    A Rasmussen poll of likely voters (2010) demonstrated massive support (82%) for enhanced photo ID laws, a support that included all racial and ethnic categories. Rasmussen concluded that it was “a sentiment that spans demographics, as majorities in every demographic agree.” [4]

    Likewise, a study by the University of Delaware and the University of Nebraska scrutinized election returns for the years 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006. This study concluded that when viewed as either groups or as individuals, there was no reduction in voter turnout among blacks, Hispanics, women, the elderly or anyone else as a consequence of the implementation of voter photo-ID laws. It was their informed opinion that “concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing.” [5]


    The Liberal Fear of Voter Identification
    A few things to note.

    According to the Indiana Sec of State, turnout among REGISTERED voters in the 2004 primary was 21%, a drop from 2002 primary of 22%.

    In the 2006 primary, according to her office, the turnout declined to 19%, not an increase as stated in that "study".
    Secretary of State: Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita announces turnout and absentee ballot data for 2010 primary election

    I wonder why the author did not reference the SoS Office data in his "research"?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you think the law actually stops people that want to commit crimes from commiting those crimes?
    According to muci, they do.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Interesting read. Seems to state voter id actually helped voting turnout with no impact on minorities.

    A study by the University of Missouri concluded that voter turnout increased by almost 2% in Indiana in the first election after the introduction of a voter ID law (2006) [3] Counties with higher than average minority, poor or elderly populations displayed no detectable reduction in voter participation. According to the study, “the only consistent and statistically significant impact of photo ID in Indiana is to increase the voter turnout in counties with a greater percentage of Democrats relative to other counties.” [3]

    A Rasmussen poll of likely voters (2010) demonstrated massive support (82%) for enhanced photo ID laws, a support that included all racial and ethnic categories. Rasmussen concluded that it was “a sentiment that spans demographics, as majorities in every demographic agree.” [4]

    Likewise, a study by the University of Delaware and the University of Nebraska scrutinized election returns for the years 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006. This study concluded that when viewed as either groups or as individuals, there was no reduction in voter turnout among blacks, Hispanics, women, the elderly or anyone else as a consequence of the implementation of voter photo-ID laws. It was their informed opinion that “concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing.” [5]


    The Liberal Fear of Voter Identification
    Wow, I made it to the fourth paragraph before I realized it was a right wing sack of ****, which is pretty good! "as some districts entrust their election monitoring, recounts and voting-machine servicing to members of the radical-left Service Employees International Union (SEIU),"

    So what have we got on the Republican side so far? A weak effort from the right-wing Heritage Foundation, and another weak right-wing piece from the right wing Weird Republic blog (that relies on the aforementioned Heritage Foundation puff piece). Powerful stuff.

    btw, the Missouri study is a bit of a joke, given that the author only compared two elections and failed to consider whether there might be other factors that could affect voter participation in two elections four years apart in one state. That's sort of like flipping a coin twice, getting heads each time, and concluding that a coin flip will always come up heads.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, except I've posted three studies, packed with statistical data that support my argument. You've posted jack **** to support yours.
    NO you have not. i have explained to you, as have others how easy voter fraud is to commit. And since noone is trying to stop it, they arent getting caught.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    According to muci, they do.
    Your comprehension skills are seriously lacking.

    When exactly did I say laws stop people from committing voter fraud?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    "Milyo is the University of Missouri professor featured in a BRAD BLOG article by Howard Beale earlier this month. The blog featured an enlightening exchange between Milyo and Senator Chuck Schumer during Milyo’s testimony before the U.S. Senate's Committee on Rules and Administration at a hearing to discuss whether photo ID voting laws lead to voter disenfranchisement. As Beale noted, Milyo’s study purported to show that restrictive photo ID voting laws had no adverse effect on voter turnout in 2006 elections in Indiana. Schumer apparently thought it might be instructive to know who commissioned and paid for the study. Milyo said he had received a grant, but hemmed and hawed and couldn’t seem to remember from whom it came.

    As it turned out, Milyo's grant money for his study came from an organization created by Mark F. "Thor" Hearne, the former Bush/Cheney '04 national general counsel, and one of the Republican Party's top operatives behind pushing for such photo ID laws around the country. Hearne was, in fact, instrumental in creating the very Indiana law which Milyo's study claims to show, has caused no voter disenfranchisement in the state."

    The BRAD BLOG : Jeffrey Milyo, Academic for Sale?
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Your comprehension skills are seriously lacking.

    When exactly did I say laws stop people from committing voter fraud?
    Worse than blind....


    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    More irony! You TOTALLY skipped over the point THAT WAS MADE.

    You just said:

    "I dont do it because I am not willing to commit voter fraud"

    followed by:

    "Nothing prevents me from doing it is the point."


    I suppose if you don't know the meaning of irony (obviously), it would seem "cryptic".

    Thanks again.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, it is an interesting read. Unfortunately, it means nothing. The studies are biased. They don't "prove" anything. /sarcasm
    yep. the republicans must have gone out in mass to vote to screw with the results and survey.
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