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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    Do you have a shred of evidence to support the premise that Democrats cheat more than Republicans? Save yourself some time and start with Watergate.
    Here is your famous switcheroo/goal post movement. He wasn't talking about one party cheating more than the other.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Apparently the education effort is not insubstantial or it wouldn't fade away over a few years. But they could spend taxpayers money year after year to keep it up, and to provide more IDs, when there was never a problem to begin with. It's a great plan if you're into government waste.
    Yeah, government waste like driver's licenses, state i.d.'s. Horrible waste to ensure American votes aren't disenfranchised by fraudsters.

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    You can spew partisan, utter nonsense until the cows come home, but the fact remains that there is NO EVIDENCE of a serious voter fraud problem in this country, and therefore one has to question why one party, and one party only, is so focused on a non-issue. The answer is obvious: they want to reduce Democratic voter turnout. It couldn't be more obvious.
    And you can spew 'til the cows come home that one must show voter fraud before having voter i.d.'s make sense.

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    http://jrnetsolserver.shorensteincen...nd-Turnout.pdf

    There is the statistical proof. Obviously it's not a question of someone being LITERALLY incapable of getting an ID. But it's a fact that the more roadblocks you throw up between a potential participant and an activity (voting), the fewer participants you will get. It's backed by statistical evidence as well as common sense.
    Roadblocks? You mean like actually, ahhhh, registering to vote with a photo i.d. in your hand? Oh!!!! The humanity!!!!
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Interesting read. Seems to state voter id actually helped voting turnout with no impact on minorities.

    A study by the University of Missouri concluded that voter turnout increased by almost 2% in Indiana in the first election after the introduction of a voter ID law (2006) [3] Counties with higher than average minority, poor or elderly populations displayed no detectable reduction in voter participation. According to the study, “the only consistent and statistically significant impact of photo ID in Indiana is to increase the voter turnout in counties with a greater percentage of Democrats relative to other counties.” [3]

    A Rasmussen poll of likely voters (2010) demonstrated massive support (82%) for enhanced photo ID laws, a support that included all racial and ethnic categories. Rasmussen concluded that it was “a sentiment that spans demographics, as majorities in every demographic agree.” [4]

    Likewise, a study by the University of Delaware and the University of Nebraska scrutinized election returns for the years 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006. This study concluded that when viewed as either groups or as individuals, there was no reduction in voter turnout among blacks, Hispanics, women, the elderly or anyone else as a consequence of the implementation of voter photo-ID laws. It was their informed opinion that “concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing.” [5]


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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont do it because I am not willing to commit voter fraud. Just because I can, doesnt mean I will. Nothing prevents me from doing it is the point. You really are reaching now.
    LOL...the irony is so obvious....even a blind man can see it.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Interesting read. Seems to state voter id actually helped voting turnout with no impact on minorities.

    A study by the University of Missouri concluded that voter turnout increased by almost 2% in Indiana in the first election after the introduction of a voter ID law (2006) [3] Counties with higher than average minority, poor or elderly populations displayed no detectable reduction in voter participation. According to the study, “the only consistent and statistically significant impact of photo ID in Indiana is to increase the voter turnout in counties with a greater percentage of Democrats relative to other counties.” [3]

    A Rasmussen poll of likely voters (2010) demonstrated massive support (82%) for enhanced photo ID laws, a support that included all racial and ethnic categories. Rasmussen concluded that it was “a sentiment that spans demographics, as majorities in every demographic agree.” [4]

    Likewise, a study by the University of Delaware and the University of Nebraska scrutinized election returns for the years 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006. This study concluded that when viewed as either groups or as individuals, there was no reduction in voter turnout among blacks, Hispanics, women, the elderly or anyone else as a consequence of the implementation of voter photo-ID laws. It was their informed opinion that “concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing.” [5]


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    Yes, it is an interesting read. Unfortunately, it means nothing. The studies are biased. They don't "prove" anything. /sarcasm
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL...the irony is so obvious....even a blind man can see it.

    PS...define "noone". Thanks.
    OOOH NOOOOO! I forgot to hit the space bar. You must be right if you are so keen as to notice a spelling error. When nothing else is working and your arguments are flawed and you have no valid points to make, resort to nothingness, statements that are cryptic and grammar correcting.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And what is it that you think the voting records prove?
    The voting records of states that have implemented voter ID have not fallen.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    OOOH NOOOOO! I forgot to hit the space bar. You must be right if you are so keen as to notice a spelling error. When nothing else is working and your arguments are flawed and you have no valid points to make, resort to nothingness, statements that are cryptic and grammar correcting.
    More irony! You TOTALLY skipped over the point THAT WAS MADE.

    You just said:

    "I dont do it because I am not willing to commit voter fraud"

    followed by:

    "Nothing prevents me from doing it is the point."


    I suppose if you don't know the meaning of irony (obviously), it would seem "cryptic".

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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    More irony! You TOTALLY skipped over the point THAT WAS MADE.

    You just said:

    "I dont do it because I am not willing to commit voter fraud"

    followed by:

    "Nothing prevents me from doing it is the point."


    I suppose if you don't know the meaning of irony (obviously), it would seem "cryptic".

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Here is your famous switcheroo/goal post movement. He wasn't talking about one party cheating more than the other.
    Of course he was. His theory is that Democrats don't want to stop election fraud and the obvious implication is that Democrats must be doing more of it. If Dems get no advantage from it why would they oppose regulations to limit it?
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