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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You've been shown it before.

    O’Keefe Releases New Voter ID Video About Eric Holder | Video | TheBlaze.com

    There ya go again.

    Furthermore, I can register as my brother and go vote for him right now. Nothing stops me.

    I can go out and give $10 to 1,000 people to not show up to vote and go vote for them.

    There is no way I would get caught.

    Voter fraud is rediculously simple.
    Oh yeah, we've discussed this before. Of course O'Keefe is a notorious bull**** artist who has been caught faking videos before, so I would hardly count that as proof. And in any case, the guy could have gone to his car and brought back a false ID and the poll worker would have been none the wiser. Fake IDs are a dime a dozen. Further, if the guy had actually voted under Holder's name it would have been discovered when the real Holder voted. The result would be that only the real Holder's vote would count.

    As mentioned before, you can't register your brother unless, at minimum, you know his social security number ... and are willing to do hard felony time in order to cast an extra vote that's less likely to make a difference than chances of you winning the PowerBall.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    It has everything to do with your argument. You are saying that voter ID laws would prevent voting, then you changed it to discourage. And your saying that proof that voters are already discouraged is irrlevant? I hate to be the one to break it to you but you don't get to pick and choose your evidence or facts. It is all pertinent.
    It has nothing to do with the topic. People choose not to vote for a variety of reasons. It has nothing to do with the fact that imposing additional hurdles to voting reduces voting.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Ah but it does. Have you not taken the stance that voter ID would keep some people from voting? My point, they are not voting now. So requiring an ID would have little impact on the non voters. Those that take the time to vote would come up with an ID, if it is part of the process.
    Your "point" is ridiculous. Voter ID laws reduce the proportion of people who ARE voting now.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh yeah, we've discussed this before. Of course O'Keefe is a notorious bull**** artist who has been caught faking videos before, so I would hardly count that as proof. And in any case, the guy could have gone to his car and brought back a false ID and the poll worker would have been none the wiser. Fake IDs are a dime a dozen. Further, if the guy had actually voted under Holder's name it would have been discovered when the real Holder voted. The result would be that only the real Holder's vote would count.

    As mentioned before, you can't register your brother unless, at minimum, you know his social security number ... and are willing to do hard felony time in order to cast an extra vote that's less likely to make a difference than chances of you winning the PowerBall.
    He would willingly give me his SSN. He could care less about politics. I would not be at any risk of hard felony time because I would never get caught. Becaue noone polices this. Noone does anything at all to stop voter fraud. No one does anything to catch those that commit voter fraud.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It has nothing to do with the topic. People choose not to vote for a variety of reasons. It has nothing to do with the fact that imposing additional hurdles to voting reduces voting.
    Yes it does. Nothing can prove it reduces voter turn out. You can speculate all you want.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Your "point" is ridiculous. Voter ID laws reduce the proportion of people who ARE voting now.
    Actually, they reduce votes cast fraudulently. You keep arguing that is a bad thing

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    He would willingly give me his SSN. He could care less about politics. I would not be at any risk of hard felony time because I would never get caught. Becaue noone polices this. Noone does anything at all to stop voter fraud. No one does anything to catch those that commit voter fraud.
    Why don't you do it then? Have you asked him for his social security number? Would you tell him that you are making him a conspiracist in a voter fraud scheme? Would he still give it to you voluntarily, knowing that he could go to jail?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, they reduce votes cast fraudulently. You keep arguing that is a bad thing
    They may eliminate some dozens of fraudulent votes, while they eliminate some millions of legitimate votes. Sort of like trying to cure a hang nail by cutting off your arm.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why don't you do it then? Have you asked him for his social security number? Would you tell him that you are making him a conspiracist in a voter fraud scheme? Would he still give it to you voluntarily, knowing that he could go to jail?
    I dont do it because I am not willing to commit voter fraud. Just because I can, doesnt mean I will. Nothing prevents me from doing it is the point. You really are reaching now.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They may eliminate some dozens of fraudulent votes, while they eliminate some millions of legitimate votes. Sort of like trying to cure a hang nail by cutting off your arm.
    Nothing to prove either of those two things. I can say the same thing but backward. May eliminate millions of fradulent votes, while they would eliminate dozens of legit votes. I think the real problem here is you dont think that your elected officials of choice could win in a fair election.
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