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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the start and the foundation of the "irresponsibility" was the New Deal and that was accentuated by the Great Society. If FDR's nonsense had not become law, we wouldn't have the massive government spending we have today
    Social Security is "nonsense". Wow, you really told 'em.
    Except that it is self funded through payroll....oops!

    Is FDR responsible for the 54% of fed spending on the military?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its dishonest to include non-progressive taxes in an equation when you are trying to argue that progressive taxes are not progressive enough
    You don't understand the argument, the argument is about progressive vs flat.

    Try again.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the start and the foundation of the "irresponsibility" was the New Deal and that was accentuated by the Great Society. If FDR's nonsense had not become law, we wouldn't have the massive government spending we have today
    Right, the policies that led to the Great Depression were soooo much better.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You don't understand the argument, the argument is about progressive vs flat.

    Try again.
    you certainly have no ability to understand what I understand. Its dishonest to include non-progressive taxes in a "total tax" rate that was never intended to be progressive. YOU worship the concept that all taxes should be progressive. that is a major fail and major dishonesty on your part. It is obvoius I understand the concept far better than you do

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, the policies that led to the Great Depression were soooo much better.
    That's like saying the "cure" from doctors who bled George Washington to death was better than the fever they were trying to treat

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Social Security is "nonsense". Wow, you really told 'em.
    Except that it is self funded through payroll....oops!

    Is FDR responsible for the 54% of fed spending on the military?
    You apparently don't understand the costs that were exponentially expanded due to the "commerce clause" allowing stuff like social security to remain

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Social Security is "nonsense". Wow, you really told 'em.
    Except that it is self funded through payroll....oops!

    Is FDR responsible for the 54% of fed spending on the military?
    Do you know what a tax is? You didn't know that SS is funded through taxes? And btw, defense made up about 76% of the budget at the end of WWII, WHERE IT SHOULD BE. Now it's about 25%. Entitlements make up about 40-50%. Entitlements = wealth redistribution
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That's like saying the "cure" from doctors who bled George Washington to death was better than the fever they were trying to treat
    No, it's like saying that the medicine we have today, though not perfect, is a hell of a lot better than the medicine that led to James Garfield's unnecessary death by infection.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do you know what a tax is? You didn't know that SS is funded through taxes? And btw, defense made up about 76% of the budget at the end of WWII, WHERE IT SHOULD BE. Now it's about 25%. Entitlements make up about 40-50%. Entitlements = wealth redistribution
    SS is funded through a PAYROLL tax, not from INCOME TAXES. It is a self-funded insurance plan, it is totally separate from federal fund. You get that money back, you don't get back military costs....well...you get some back if you are a vet....with injuries.

    If you really believe in the Constitution, you would not hold to the idea that 3/4 of discretionary spending should be for a standing army. We are not in any way in a "war" situation as we had in WWII, there is no comparison. We are spending on average 54% on military costs now.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you certainly have no ability to understand what I understand. Its dishonest to include non-progressive taxes in a "total tax" rate that was never intended to be progressive. YOU worship the concept that all taxes should be progressive. that is a major fail and major dishonesty on your part. It is obvoius I understand the concept far better than you do
    You are totally lost, the argument here, between myself and "muci", is between a flat tax and progressive taxes at the federal level. I wasn't including state or county or city rates to get to a "total tax" rate.

    Of course I am in favor of progressive taxation, it has been used in this country from nearly the start, and I have yet to see you grasp any part of the discussion between muci and I.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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