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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    ........ I can understand your desperation though, your "great hope" is Romney LOL
    And your great dope is Obama The Marxist incomeptent community organizer.

    You do realize that he proposed the Buffet Rule with the intent to be sure that it did not pass Congress ?

    Or maybe you don't

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    And your great dope is Obama The Marxist incomeptent community organizer.

    You do realize that he proposed the Buffet Rule with the intent to be sure that it did not pass Congress ?

    Or maybe you don't
    Wrong again, I'm not voting for Obama. And of course the Buffet rule was for show I said that earlier. Both sides do it and both are wrong for it.

    But please continue on your worthless generalization and foot in the mouth, I quite enjoy you proving yourself wrong

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How many times am I going to ask you how they wouldnt before you actually answer?
    I already showed you (twice) that currently the top quintile already pays 29.6%, a flat tax would not increase their burden:
    According to administration data, the median effective tax rate for the middle 20 percent of U.S. taxpayers is 13.3 percent, including income, payroll and corporate taxes. For the top 1 percent of taxpayers, the rate is 29.6 percent, according to the 2012 Economic Report of the President.http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060406047

    You keep forgetting what I already showed you, you don't read the links and you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Further, you keep denying that a flat tax doesn't increase the burden for all, you keep switching back and forth between "everyone needs to pay more" and "the lower earners need to pay more". If you want everyone to pay more, a flat tax won't do it. If you want to increase wealth inequality, a flat tax will do that.....because (for the upteenth time) it would double the rate for mid and triple it for the bottom quintiles.



    They would have to pay part of their disposable income. It is not right to put the full burden on some. Every American needs to step up here.
    You are arguing for the tripling of the burden for low quintile earners, the total swallowing of their disposable income while their state tax burden remains the same. You are pushing them into poverty while not changing the tax burden for the top. Again, you increase wealth inequality.



    You are not even listening or attempting to. Until you can stop making things up I am once again not going to bother with you.
    Again, you said you wanted to pay more, so go ahead and do it...no one is stopping you. If you can afford it...do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    O'really, like having regulated markets where they "earn" their wealth, safe regulated banks where they keep their wealth, a vast state and federal court system that legally protects their wealth, the various military branches that physically protects that wealth, a state and federal govt that they bought to create laws which allows them to keep more of their wealth since the '80s. All of these things the wealthy use to a much greater extent than the average citizen does.
    It should be like an insurance policy, the more you have to protect, the more it should cost you.

    Beyond that, as I said from the start here, the greater the wealth inequality, the greater the number of ills a modern society suffers. But then, some people never learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Everyone gets that. Even the poor gets all the benefits you just mentioned.
    Sure, the vast majority of lobbyists are working for low income workers, they have huge influences on Congressional law/members....low income workers are benefiting from capital gains.....please.

    But please, keep arguing that the rich need to pay more for excessive federal spending.
    Freedom isn't free, the wealthy do not volunteer for the armed services anywhere near the rate that the poor do, the wealthy have earned their wealth off the labor of the poor.

    Since SS and Medicare are self funded trusts, what you have left over is military spending and regulatory. Clearly, the wealthy depend on that portion of spending far more than the poor.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I suspect that the Mods here will enlighten you in due time. There is a difference between disagreeing with any opinion, even agressively so, and then choosing to go silly and just berate the poster with your petty nonsense..

    Trust that I can tongue-lash with the best of them. But that would be to choose stupidity.

    Obama is a Marxist. And an incompetent. And as of today, The Five Trillion Dollar Man !
    The $5 Trillion Man: Debt Has Increased Under Obama by $5,027,761,476,484.56 | CNSNews.com
    That debt is just another of the legacys of G.W. Bush's irresponsible fiscal policies. It counts the 2009 deficit as Obama's but he had nothing to do with it.

    Had President Bush not cut taxes while simultaneously prosecuting two foreign wars and adopting other programs without paying for them, the current deficit would be only 4.7 percent of gross domestic product this year, instead of the eye-catching 11.2 percentódespite the weak economy and the costly efforts taken to restore it. In 2010, the deficit would be 3.2 percent instead of 9.6 percent.


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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Maybe you can just put "Blame Bush " in your signature line. So it'll always be there

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Maybe you can just put "Blame Bush " in your signature line. So it'll always be there
    Maybe you should put, "the world was created on January 20, 2009" in your signature so everyone will know that you think the universe did not exist before Obama took office.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Fail much ?

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I already showed you (twice) that currently the top quintile already pays 29.6%, a flat tax would not increase their burden:
    According to administration data, the median effective tax rate for the middle 20 percent of U.S. taxpayers is 13.3 percent, including income, payroll and corporate taxes. For the top 1 percent of taxpayers, the rate is 29.6 percent, according to the 2012 Economic Report of the President.http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060406047

    You keep forgetting what I already showed you, you don't read the links and you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Further, you keep denying that a flat tax doesn't increase the burden for all, you keep switching back and forth between "everyone needs to pay more" and "the lower earners need to pay more". If you want everyone to pay more, a flat tax won't do it. If you want to increase wealth inequality, a flat tax will do that.....because (for the upteenth time) it would double the rate for mid and triple it for the bottom quintiles.



    You are arguing for the tripling of the burden for low quintile earners, the total swallowing of their disposable income while their state tax burden remains the same. You are pushing them into poverty while not changing the tax burden for the top. Again, you increase wealth inequality.



    Again, you said you wanted to pay more, so go ahead and do it...no one is stopping you. If you can afford it...do it.
    its dishonest to include non-progressive taxes in an equation when you are trying to argue that progressive taxes are not progressive enough

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    Re: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That debt is just another of the legacys of G.W. Bush's irresponsible fiscal policies. It counts the 2009 deficit as Obama's but he had nothing to do with it.

    Had President Bush not cut taxes while simultaneously prosecuting two foreign wars and adopting other programs without paying for them, the current deficit would be only 4.7 percent of gross domestic product this year, instead of the eye-catching 11.2 percent—despite the weak economy and the costly efforts taken to restore it. In 2010, the deficit would be 3.2 percent instead of 9.6 percent.

    the start and the foundation of the "irresponsibility" was the New Deal and that was accentuated by the Great Society. If FDR's nonsense had not become law, we wouldn't have the massive government spending we have today

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