Thread: Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

feel free to revolt. I get tired of implied threats. Lets party

I agree, also include in that the teabaggers who have done the same thing with implied threats.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

Wow....dude.....who was in power? They were Monarchies.

Your point?...........

Originally Posted by muciti

YOu can keep waiting. Until you learn what you are talking about and go back and read what i am talking about, like i said before, i am done discussing this with you.

You have no proof to back your flat tax claims, you are wrong on the effect of a flat tax on middle earners (it would more than double their tax rate) and you don't understand where the top earners are making their incomes from.

I can understand why you won't debate me, you can't.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

You have no proof to back your flat tax claims, you are wrong on the effect of a flat tax on middle earners (it would more than double their tax rate) and you don't understand where the top earners are making their incomes from.

I can understand why you won't debate me, you can't.

I am not debating you until you go back and read what I am posting about. Say what you want you are not going to hurt my feelings any. Let me know when you've read up on what I have already said then we can talk. Until then there is no point.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

There is lots of research on the ills of wealth inequality, just because you are not aware of it does not mean it does not exist.

When wealth inequality gets bad enough, things go very bad, ie the French Revolution, Russian Revolution....

Originally Posted by apdst

Yeah, those two events fixed the wealth inequality problem.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

Oh, you equate "cause" with "cure".

That is kinda messed up...

Originally Posted by apdst

What is messed up, is that you think the French and Soviet Revolutions were revolts against rich folks, when in actuality, they were revolts against greedy governments.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

Wow....dude.....who was in power? They were Monarchies.

Originally Posted by apdst

Your point?...........

I'll let it sink in....then get back to me.

Originally Posted by muciti

I am not debating you until you go back and read what I am posting about. Say what you want you are not going to hurt my feelings any. Let me know when you've read up on what I have already said then we can talk. Until then there is no point.

If you think I missed anything in what we discussed, then show it.

You have been constantly in error on the flat tax, it's effect on income inequality, the amount of taxes on middle earners, you can't prove that a flat tax decreases wealth inequality....it just goes on and on...even simple things like reading an article when I give you alternate sources.

Again, it is up to you to defend yourself, I won't go back and do it for you.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

If you think I missed anything in what we discussed, then show it.

You have been constantly in error on the flat tax, it's effect on income inequality, the amount of taxes on middle earners, you can't prove that a flat tax decreases wealth inequality....it just goes on and on...even simple things like reading an article when I give you alternate sources.

Again, it is up to you to defend yourself, I won't go back and do it for you.

I have not been in error on anything.

I'll make it very simple for you, at least it will be simple if you have actually read what I have been writing about for 24 pages.

What is it you think I'd like to see happen with the current tax system? When has it ever even been attempted and failed? How exactly would it have a negative effect on income inequality?

I dont need to defend anything. I am ready to discuss it when you actually know what I am talking about. Until then, we have nothing to discuss. Its all right here in this thread if you genuinely want to know.

Originally Posted by muciti

I have not been in error on anything.

I'll make it very simple for you, at least it will be simple if you have actually read what I have been writing about for 24 pages.

What is it you think I'd like to see happen with the current tax system? When has it ever even been attempted and failed? How exactly would it have a negative effect on income inequality?

I dont need to defend anything. I am ready to discuss it when you actually know what I am talking about. Until then, we have nothing to discuss. Its all right here in this thread if you genuinely want to know.

Again, you are asking me to support your arguments, I won't. I have countered your arguments, you cannot show anything to back your claims after repeated requests. Now you are asking the same questions of me that have already been answered, so why would my answering them again a second time do any good. You want me to go back, but here you are repeating what has already been debated. I know this game, it played on forums like this where comments get buried, where a poster can ask the same thing again and act as if it has not been covered.

I already showed how it causes increased inequality, you won't back your claim that a flat tax decreases inequality in wealth. You have not shown it in this thread, you have provided nothing to back your claim.

Beyond this, you are totally wrong on the effect of a flat 30% on middle earners. It doubles their tax rate. It is worse for lower income earners, it triples their tax rate. This proves without my showing you documentation that it makes wealth inequality greater.

Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth

I'll let it sink in....then get back to me.

You're not going to debate me, because you can't.

Originally Posted by muciti

How exactly would it have a negative effect on income inequality?

On income equality, it wouldn't because people will have the same amount taken out. However, after all that's said and done, the poor will have an even lower % of disposable income while the rich will have a much higher % of disposable income due to a flat tax. That will lead to an even greater gap in classes which would be a negative effect.

The main people that would benefit from a flat tax is the rich.