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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

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    the difference is that those who have children out of wedlock and are on public assistance are costing the taxpayer money....
    Ed Bradley was interviewing a welfare recipeint a few years back and she referred to her welfare as a salary. Ed jumped on that, told her that HE draws a salary, as HE has a job.
    What she gets is NOT a salary. You work for a salary, and having unprotected sex is not work. Let's not condone or subsidize irresponsible behavior, please...
    A coworker once told me her story, her husband left for parts unknown and she had kids to support. The govt trained her in a good paying job, her mother tended the kids while she went to school and after she got the job. Once she got the job, the govt agency tried to continue paying her for childcare expenses. She said thanks but no thanks....they even offered to fill out the forms for her! again she said thanks but no thanks....The education part of her govt help made sense, but trying to keep her on as a "client" after she got the job was stupid from the taxpayers point of view.....
    But Romney herself is saying that looking after her kids was "hard work", like it was a job.

    Irregardless Romney and Rosen were making poor word choices, even if he wants those mothers to work, there's no need to use the word "dignity".
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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

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    But Romney herself is saying that looking after her kids was "hard work", like it was a job.

    Irregardless Romney and Rosen were making poor word choices, even if he wants those mothers to work, there's no need to use the word "dignity".
    Still we have people suggesting that raising kids is easy compared to going to a job outside the home....raising kids most certainly is a job, you just don't get a paycheck for it, unless you are on the govt dole.....
    and, beleive it or not, there are lots of easier jobs being done outside the home, by men and women.
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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Still we have people suggesting that raising kids is easy compared to going to a job outside the home....raising kids most certainly is a job, you just don't get a paycheck for it, unless you are on the govt dole.....
    and, beleive it or not, there are lots of easier jobs being done outside the home, by men and women.
    It depends on the person, some people think being a customer service representative is easy, I think it sucks. Some people think analyzing data is hard, I would do it for free. Same with childcare and being a CEO.

    "People" can say whatever they want, Romney is running for the Presidency, and when his wife and campaign is making an issue over a comment she takes as an insult to stay at home mums such as herself, then his comment about the dignity of working becomes relevant. Either raising children is work or it isn't. Either a person lose dignity by not working and depending on other's money (like Ann on her husband's and family's) or it's not.
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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

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    It depends on the person, some people think being a customer service representative is easy, I think it sucks. Some people think analyzing data is hard, I would do it for free. Same with childcare and being a CEO.

    "People" can say whatever they want, Romney is running for the Presidency, and when his wife and campaign is making an issue over a comment she takes as an insult to stay at home mums such as herself, then his comment about the dignity of working becomes relevant. Either raising children is work or it isn't. Either a person lose dignity by not working and depending on other's money (like Ann on her husband's and family's) or it's not.
    so, in your world everything is black or white, no shades of gray?
    nothing is ever as simple as that...
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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    It depends on the person, some people think being a customer service representative is easy, I think it sucks. Some people think analyzing data is hard, I would do it for free. Same with childcare and being a CEO.

    "People" can say whatever they want, Romney is running for the Presidency, and when his wife and campaign is making an issue over a comment she takes as an insult to stay at home mums such as herself, then his comment about the dignity of working becomes relevant. Either raising children is work or it isn't. Either a person lose dignity by not working and depending on other's money (like Ann on her husband's and family's) or it's not.
    Are you a parent yourself? Just curious.

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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so, in your world everything is black or white, no shades of gray?
    nothing is ever as simple as that...

    Certain things are. You are either a homo sapiens or you ain't. Just because I say two things are either/or doesn't mean I view everything in my world in binary codes.

    So back to Romney and what he said.
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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

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    Are you a parent yourself? Just curious.
    I'm not, but trying, and I fail to see the relevance.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

    I saw a clip on the news where Romney was asked about the majority that think he cannot relate to most people due to his wealth since he has no idea what that is like...being poor or just struggling to make it day to day...and the interviewer used the example of his elevator he has for his car. His response? The typical political answer of no answer. He replied with "as President..blah blah.. yadda yadda...I will...blah blah blah". He never answered the ****ing question. And that is why nobody thinks he represents the majority of people he would govern as president. In short...he's your perfect candidate. He will say whatever he needs to say. And his wife is no different.

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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    I'm not, but trying, and I fail to see the relevance.
    It was obvious from your comments.

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    Re: Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    It was obvious from your comments.
    Obvious about what? That I don't see the relevance or that I don't have a child of my own? If I don't have a child, I have never spent time looking after children? Ever been a teacher to 40 kids?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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