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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Republicans aren't waging a war on women. That's like saying that MLK waged a war on whites.
    I didn't say that they were "waging a war". And your analogy doesn't even make sense.

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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    The reality of the situation here is that Biden and others have decided that they know what it best for women and have a fairly good job convincing their followers of it. If you have an opinion that differs from theirs then you are waging war against all women. Hell, we had this conversation yesterday about a woman's right to stay home and watch their own kids or be home makers. To hear some say it if a woman stays home she is setting back the womans rights movement and she is in fact waging war on her own sex herself. As a matter of fact, most of those people saying that were liberals. If Santorum saying something is declaring war on women, then these liberals trying to strip away a womans right to raise her children certainly is to. So I suppose both parties are waging war on women. Imagine that.

    Now that I have declared that the right and left are waging war on women I guess that means women have no choice but to vote for me. WOO HOOOOO Gotta love this logic!
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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

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    I didn't say that they were "waging a war". And your analogy doesn't even make sense.
    No but Biden did. And if Santorum speaks for the right, then Biden certainly speaks for the left.
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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

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    Fear has been a popular tool of the Republocrats for some time now.
    This does not make it right or justify the use of fear over common sense.
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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Right. If you say so. I think it's dumb and dangerous for people to go around acting as though one man's thoughts have any ability to influence the issue. Santorum's words mean no more to the debate than me saying "Women should pay for their birth control as they would any other prescription; offering it for free is a gross act of overreach and preferential treatment with no substantiating evidence to show it will resolve any current issue."

    And why? Because Santorum has no influence or ability to affect law. If there were a true attack on women it would be from legislation being drafted at the local, state, or federal level, or from executive orders issued by the president. Or, it would come from people blocking access to birth control illegally in pharmacies or at hospitals and doctors offices. Have you seen any of that happening, outside of Plan B and minors? No? Right.

    So then what we have is some asshole making a speech about his personal beliefs. One man. And then you have a few catholics who say they don't want to pay for birth control for their employees because it conflicts with their religious beliefs. Catholic hospitals and organizations are allowed to avoid a lot of things because it conflicts with their religious beliefs, so why should birth control be any different? What those people are asking for won't restrict any existing access to birth control for women.

    So, again, you have a bunch of hyperbolic, fear mongering assholes running around skewing the significance of anything said that doesn't support free birth control for all, and suddenly we have a war on women. It's ridiculous. We beat black people to prevent them from entering segregated schools. We lynched black men wrongfully convicted of killing/harming white women. That was a "war". This is a bunch of nonsense developed by the left and its supporters to create an issue that doesn't exist in order to swing the vote. And you're perpetuating it.
    It's not "if I say so". It's the dictionary. That's the point.

    In any case, I gave you my opinion and told you that I'm not going to try convince you to share it since it's a matter of perception. Consequently, I'm not going to get into "if you say so" and "you're perpetuating" snide/personal remarks. I've said what I think: Biden wasn't insinuating women are stupid. He was mobilizing people who already agree with him. And attacks on birth control and abortion 'rights' have come from the right. Lynchings, your opinion on Santorum and your non-dictionary definition of "attack" don't have much to do with that. I've said what I had to say. Take it or leave it. I'm just not interested in debating anymore with someone who's accusing me of doing something I haven't done multiple times.

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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    No but Biden did. And if Santorum speaks for the right, then Biden certainly speaks for the left.
    Who said Santorum speaks for the right?

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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    That's debatable and I would argue the opposite. Attacks on Planned Parenthood, birth control mandates because it's "immoral" and comments like these:

    “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is, I think, the dangers of contraception in this country. . . . Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

    Rick Santorum: ‘The idea I’m coming after your birth control is absurd’ - The Washington Post - The Washington Post
    come from the right. I perceive that as an attack. A lot of other people do too. If you don't, I'm not going to try to convince you.
    According to you Santorums statement was proof of attacks on women by the right. Not by Santorum, by the right.
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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    So how do the women feel about the Republicans' near-universal opposition to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

    FYI, when questioned about it on a live press call that Romney arranged to discuss women's issues ... he didn't even appear to know what the Act was (it was the first law Obama signed). His campaign told the reporter that Romney would have to get back to him on that. Subsequently Romney did not endorse the measure, but he graciously said that he would not repeal it -- as if that's something the President can do.
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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So how do the women feel about the Republicans' near-universal opposition to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

    FYI, when questioned about it on a live press call that Romney arranged to discuss women's issues ... he didn't even appear to know what the Act was (it was the first law Obama signed). His campaign told the reporter that Romney would have to get back to him on that. Subsequently Romney did not endorse the measure, but he graciously said that he would not repeal it -- as if that's something the President can do.
    Here's Adam with todays deflection.
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    Re: Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify

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    Biden: 'War on Women' is Real, Will Intensify - Yahoo! News

    Vice President Joe Biden said tonight that what he called a Republican-led effort to rollback the rights of women is "real" and will "intensify."
    "I think the 'war on women' is real," Biden told MSNBC's "The Ed Show," deploying the politically-charged phrase for the first time on the national stage.
    "And look, I'll tell you when it's going to intensify - the next president of the United States is going to get to name one, possibly two or more, members to the Supreme Court," he added.
    Is it possible that slogan based campaigns that rely on emotion versus reason is one of the reasons the country is in the mess it is in?

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