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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

Who's not paying federal income tax?

Lower middle class don't pay federal income tax. I think it would be more troublesome to find out that 83% of our Americans make less than 30k a year...

Perhaps you did not properly read what I said: "First off, almost HALF of the 'taxable' people in the USA, pay zero federal income taxes."

Thus your link verifies what I said.

And believe me, you can make a good bit more than 30K and still pay no federal income taxes. The tax code is so insane, there are all sorts of loopholes, and deductions. But you only addressed one little point of what was said.

Do you yet understand that the very rich are paying at a different rate for a reason? Do you yet understand that as far as 'wage earners' go, the more you make the higher the rate?
 
Your "agreeing" to cripple out economy and increase our debt. Raising taxes on those that spend every dime of their income will slow growth and put us back into recession. In fact every dime more taken from those taxpayers will come out of consumer spending whicj is more than 2/3 of GDP


Yup. Everyone pays taxes. I don't care if it's a $1, you pay something into the kitty. No on gets to walk away from paying their "fair share" of the debt.


How long do you think this country is going to last when 48% of taxpayers get everything back they've paid in and 52% are picking up the tab for the whole country? If those percentages reverse we'll all have a firm grip on the last rung on the ladder of life.
 
Perhaps you did not properly read what I said: "First off, almost HALF of the 'taxable' people in the USA, pay zero federal income taxes."

Thus your link verifies what I said.

And believe me, you can make a good bit more than 30K and still pay no federal income taxes. The tax code is so insane, there are all sorts of loopholes, and deductions. But you only addressed one little point of what was said.

Do you yet understand that the very rich are paying at a different rate for a reason? Do you yet understand that as far as 'wage earners' go, the more you make the higher the rate?

They pay more $$ but not more %%...

Also that article clearly illustrated

As to the other part:

more than 80% of tax filers pay some kind of federal tax. And that doesn't include sales taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas taxes, etc., which catch just about everyone.
 
No, there still has to be a point at which we say they cannot pay taxes. You seriously think someone can afford to give away $3k in federal taxes if they make 10k a year (Even 15k although I don't know where we should draw the line)?

why do I have a duty to fund someone who cannot fund themselves-usually DUE TO THEIR OWN MISTAKES AND LACK OF EFFORT

and why should those people be able to DEMAND WE PAY MORE AND MORE For stuff they want without THEM PAYING MORE THEMSELVES
 
No, there still has to be a point at which we say they cannot pay taxes. You seriously think someone can afford to give away $3k in federal taxes if they make 10k a year (Even 15k although I don't know where we should draw the line)?

Then this is the "same ol, same ol". Trundle on without me.
 
Yup. Everyone pays taxes. I don't care if it's a $1, you pay something into the kitty. No on gets to walk away from paying their "fair share" of the debt.


How long do you think this country is going to last when 48% of taxpayers get everything back they've paid in and 52% are picking up the tab for the whole country? If those percentages reverse we'll all have a firm grip on the last rung on the ladder of life.

You changed your argument their. I thought you meant the poor would pay the 30% tax also.
 
why do I have a duty to fund someone who cannot fund themselves-usually DUE TO THEIR OWN MISTAKES AND LACK OF EFFORT

and why should those people be able to DEMAND WE PAY MORE AND MORE For stuff they want without THEM PAYING MORE THEMSELVES

TurtleDude, people are victims to their upbringing. They are victims because no one gets to decide whether they are born into a drug feigned family with a low IQ. So yes, we are subsidizing victims. Laugh at it all you want but that is the truth.
 
I will be a libby do gooder until you stop your war on the poor.


You should have written that phrase as "war on the poor", before you know it it will become like "share the wealth".
 
You should have written that phrase as "war on the poor", before you know it it will become like "share the wealth".

lol, I was going to write that one "I will be a libby do gooder until you stop your wealth redistribution.", but I don't think anyone would've gotten it.

(Not writing a real response because you haven't gotten to my other rebuttle)
 
TurtleDude, people are victims to their upbringing. They are victims because no one gets to decide whether they are born into a drug feigned family with a low IQ. So yes, we are subsidizing victims. Laugh at it all you want but that is the truth.

yeah more of the NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING A SCREW UP crap again

but why am I responsible for someone else being a screw up if they are not
 
TurtleDude, people are victims to their upbringing. They are victims because no one gets to decide whether they are born into a drug feigned family with a low IQ. So yes, we are subsidizing victims. Laugh at it all you want but that is the truth.



This sounds like a time to say this - "bend over, grab you boot straps, and pull you arse out of the mess you're in. Or you can always use the fall back plan of doing nothing and wallowing in self pity and poverty.
 
This sounds like a time to say this - "bend over, grab you boot straps, and pull you arse out of the mess you're in. Or you can always use the fall back plan of doing nothing and wallowing in self pity and poverty.

Who says that to them though? In fact, who even convinces them of that?
 
yeah more of the NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING A SCREW UP crap again

but why am I responsible for someone else being a screw up if they are not

Because they are a victim of a society you take part in.
 
Because they are a victim of a society you take part in.

that is pure idiocy. If people are not screw ups due to their own fault than I certainly cannot be blamed for someone else doing drugs, having 5 children before they are out of a training bra etc
 
Because they are a victim of a society you take part in.

there are benefactors of society as well.....
in fact, nearly all of us benefit..
could it be that the victims are often those who refuse to take a
responsible approach to the society in which they live?
 
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Who says that to them though? In fact, who even convinces them of that?


If you don't know your poor, then you're happy as your are. If you do know you're poor and do nothing, then you're happy as you are.

Every book in the world can't on smack smarts into people who are "happy as you are".
 
that is pure idiocy. If people are not screw ups due to their own fault than I certainly cannot be blamed for someone else doing drugs, having 5 children before they are out of a training bra etc

Yes you can because you are a part of society that allows that to exist.
 
If you don't know your poor, then you're happy as your are. If you do know you're poor and do nothing, then you're happy as you are.

Every book in the world can't on smack smarts into people who are "happy as you are".

I know people who live extremely simple lives, owning little or nothing. They appear to be poor, AND happy. That is their choice. But too often our poor are people who just quit trying.
I like to compare some of my siblings who make excuses for being broke or poor to the younger sister of a friend. This gal has Down's Syndrome, and was employed most of her life.
Enough with excuses....get up off the couch and go find something useful to do...
 
there are benefactors of society as well.....
in fact, nearly all of us benefit..
could it be that the victims are often those who refuse to take a
responsible approach to the society in which they live?

Well yeah, because they were never shown that if they do the right, hell they probably were never even taught what right is, things then they will be apart of a better lifestyle.

(Although I may of missed your point)
 
Yes you can because you are a part of society that allows that to exist.



One day you will go out into the real world and realize that most people who are screw ups are screw ups purely due to their own stupidity. I am not responsible for someone having 6 kids with 5 partners before they turn old enough to drink. and I have no duty to pay for that sort of pathologies
 
I know people who live extremely simple lives, owning little or nothing. They appear to be poor, AND happy. That is their choice. But too often our poor are people who just quit trying.
I like to compare some of my siblings who make excuses for being broke or poor to the younger sister of a friend. This gal has Down's Syndrome, and was employed most of her life.
Enough with excuses....get up off the couch and go find something useful to do...

Yeah, they just need some convincing. I know a guy that has worked at our grocery store since I was 12 and he was also born with slight autism. Though he does still live with his parents.
 
Yes you can because you are a part of society that allows that to exist.
OK, you are young, let me make this a teaching moment for you.
Society offers an education for anyone who wants it, and are willing to do their part, assuming they are able.
A large percentage of our population don't want it.
Society can't make them learn.
Society won't let them or their children starve.
Long story short, don't be blaming society....
 
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