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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

So... not 90 percent anymore?

Nope, you have convinced me otherwise Josie, good job!!! Although I will add that their should still be a level at which no one should pay taxes. (IE 30% of 15k leaves you with jack **** lol)
 
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I'd agree to raise taxes on everyone. No one is exempt. We all pay "our fair share".

we should have a system where every tax level pays the same amount of the income tax as their share of the income meaning the top one percent would pay 22% of the income tax even though that means they would be paying 22X what they most likely use while the bottom 50% would pay say 12% or so of the income tax since they earn 12% or so of the income.
 
Whether you arrive at your reasoning of "fair" through regulation or taxes, your answer is government and government is easy as hell to manipulate if you have means. Your mention of fairness implies government intervention. Correct me if Im missing something.

Govt intervention is not always bad....we have public schools due to govt intervention....
If we want unbridled competition for jobs, just destroy public schools first.
Without govt intervention, there would also be more Bernie Madoffs operating with impunity.
It would be nice if ethics meant what it used to mean, especially on Wall Street and in Congress.
Can we trust Govt foxes to gaurd the business chicken coop? Get the meat eaters out of congress first, I want vegetarians guarding the chicken coop.
 
Nope, you have convinced me otherwise Josie, good job!!!

That was quite a leap. Maybe you should sit and think about what you really believe before you state it and then you won't have to keep backtracking.
 
That was quite a leap. Maybe you should sit and think about what you really believe before you state it and then you won't have to keep backtracking.

I actually have believed that all along, but I can also see why they should pay top dollar too. Although I'm now leaning more towards 30% for all, hence why I agreed with you.
 
Nope, you strawmanned my argument.

People don't send in a check because they know that if they did, it would be a drop of water in a sea, so what is the solution? Everyone drops their drop of water into the sea and then we see the sea level rise. (Try saying that five times fast ;))


You believe everyone should pay more. I believe those that think like you should set the standard/example and start the ball rolling.

If you can't see your way to doing that then you're not a "true believer", you're just another another person who wants to put the hand in my pocket.
 
Because the middle class already pay higher taxes than the rich do. They are already doing their part.

I am guessing there are quite a few classes you have not taken in college yet.

First off, almost HALF of the 'taxable' people in the USA, pay zero federal income taxes. Not only that, but a good portion of those actually get a 'refund' that consists of money they never paid into the system to start with.

There are different taxes and different rates, depending on how the money is 'earned'. For those that draw a paycheck, there is a set rate depending on how much is earned at a 'job' (minus deduction and such). For those that have money, and increase their wealth through investment, there is a different set rate. This is because the government (as a whole), see's a benefit in having people invest their money. It is good for the economy, good for the nation. Because this investment involves risk that is not present to the normal person drawing a paycheck, the government determined it that investments should be taxed at a lower rate. This provides an incentive to invest.

As I suggested before, you should read up on all this before making silly statements that middle class is doing it's part (when most of them pay zero federal taxes), yet the rich are not doing their part because the government isn't stealing 90% of their wealth.

Honestly, repeating that nonsense doesn't make you sound very bright.
 
You believe everyone should pay more. I believe those that think like you should set the standard/example and start the ball rolling.

If you can't see your way to doing that then you're not a "true believer", you're just another another person who wants to put the hand in my pocket.

Are you kidding me? Under your logic it is also a good idea to toss money out the window hoping that a government employee will stumble upon it and give it to the respective person. That would be the same thing as one person, and I mean one, paying 100 bucks extra on their taxes, hell, even a thousand, a million....
 
I actually have believed that all along, but I can also see why they should pay top dollar too. Although I'm now leaning more towards 30% for all, hence why I agreed with you.

Your thoughts seem to change on a whim. No wonder you can't figure out what your lean is.
 
I'd agree to raise taxes on everyone. No one is exempt. We all pay "our fair share".

Your "agreeing" to cripple out economy and increase our debt. Raising taxes on those that spend every dime of their income will slow growth and put us back into recession. In fact every dime more taken from those taxpayers will come out of consumer spending whicj is more than 2/3 of GDP
 
Are you kidding me? Under your logic it is also a good idea to toss money out the window hoping that a government employee will stumble upon it and give it to the respective person. That would be the same thing as one person, and I mean one, paying 100 bucks extra on their taxes, hell, even a thousand, a million....

So what will change when thousands of people toss money out the window?
 
Right, I would even buy into everyone pays the 30%...

Problem solved, where is the red phone to tell someone important? ;)


I mean everyone. No one gets out of paying taxes. No matter how poor or rich. Agree?
 
Your thoughts seem to change on a whim. No wonder you can't figure out what your lean is.

This may not be a bad thing! I think it refreshing to see a young person with an appearant open mind and have not been 'overtaken by the kool-aid'.;)
 
I am guessing there are quite a few classes you have not taken in college yet.

First off, almost HALF of the 'taxable' people in the USA, pay zero federal income taxes. Not only that, but a good portion of those actually get a 'refund' that consists of money they never paid into the system to start with.

There are different taxes and different rates, depending on how the money is 'earned'. For those that draw a paycheck, there is a set rate depending on how much is earned at a 'job' (minus deduction and such). For those that have money, and increase their wealth through investment, there is a different set rate. This is because the government (as a whole), see's a benefit in having people invest their money. It is good for the economy, good for the nation. Because this investment involves risk that is not present to the normal person drawing a paycheck, the government determined it that investments should be taxed at a lower rate. This provides an incentive to invest.

As I suggested before, you should read up on all this before making silly statements that middle class is doing it's part (when most of them pay zero federal taxes), yet the rich are not doing their part because the government isn't stealing 90% of their wealth.

Honestly, repeating that nonsense doesn't make you sound very bright.

Here's a look at who doesn't pay, and why.
Question: So the reports that half the U.S. doesn't pay taxes are true?
Answer: No, they're not. According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington, D.C., 46% of tax filers will owe no federal income tax this year. But when you figure in payroll taxes — such as those for Social Security, Medicare and unemployment — more than 80% of tax filers pay some kind of federal tax. And that doesn't include sales taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas taxes, etc., which catch just about everyone.
Q: But almost half the filers don't pay federal income tax. How come?
A: It's because of the way the tax code is written. In 2010, a married couple filing jointly didn't have to pay any income taxes if their income was less than $18,700; couples older than 65, if their income was $20,900 or less. And even if you make more than that, the standard deduction — which goes up each year — and a myriad of other deductions and tax breaks reduce income tax exposure. In 2009, the most recent year for which Internal Revenue Service data is available, filers with adjusted gross income of less than $30,000 made up 83% of all the nontaxable returns. According to the Tax Policy Center's calculator, a couple with two kids younger than 13 that makes $30,000 would get $5,000 back under current laws.

Who's not paying federal income tax?

Lower middle class don't pay federal income tax. I think it would be more troublesome to find out that 83% of our Americans make less than 30k a year...
 
You believe everyone should pay more. I believe those that think like you should set the standard/example and start the ball rolling.

If you can't see your way to doing that then you're not a "true believer", you're just another another person who wants to put the hand in my pocket.

He clearly thinks we need even more government and that government needs even more money.
 
Gosh. First one must debate in order to post here (this includes debating the food topics, sex topics, movie topics, bar game topics, etc), then one must conform to one set of beliefs and never have a change of mind or learn something they may have never considered otherwise they are bouncing around on whims. Someone needs to put that in the rules so folks know whether DP is the place for them. :roll:
 
I mean everyone. No one gets out of paying taxes. No matter how poor or rich. Agree?

No, there still has to be a point at which we say they cannot pay taxes. You seriously think someone can afford to give away $3k in federal taxes if they make 10k a year (Even 15k although I don't know where we should draw the line)?
 
Are you kidding me? Under your logic it is also a good idea to toss money out the window hoping that a government employee will stumble upon it and give it to the respective person. That would be the same thing as one person, and I mean one, paying 100 bucks extra on their taxes, hell, even a thousand, a million....



I thought so. You Libbys talk the talk. And the taxpayer is the stiff that gets the shaft for all the Libby do gooders.
 
Gosh. First one must debate in order to post here (this includes debating the food topics, sex topics, movie topics, bar game topics, etc), then one must conform to one set of beliefs and never have a change of mind or learn something they may have never considered otherwise they are bouncing around on whims. Someone needs to put that in the rules so folks know whether DP is the place for them. :roll:

I changed my mind Enola...

Although you are 100% correct. I am currently being attacked for "changing my mind to often"...:roll:
 
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I changed my mind Enola...

But...but...that is not allowed, Jyran. You must debate your set of beliefs not matter how mundane and you must be FIRM. No wishy washy stuff by learning a new mindset and agreeing with it, hence changing your mind. (Said with sarcasm).
 
That is beyond stupid

the rich pay a higher rate on any progressive tax on like income. So stop the lying. The rich pay far more actual tax dollars than the middle class. The TOP FIVE PERCENT PAY MORE FEDERAL INCOME TAX DOLLARS than the rest of country combined

You should be careful when you spew crap like that and tell people they need to think more

what you have confused is that fact that some people who have Upper middle class rates of earned income and who also pay right at the very top of the FICA cutoff might have higher effective total federal "tax" rates over some billionaires who only have UNEARNED income (ie a DIFFERENT TYPE OF INCOME) in the form of capital gains.

finding someone who has a higher EFFECTIVE RATE than the 15% effective rate most billionaires with only investment income pay who is still in the middle class is rather tough.

and rates are not the same as actual tax dollars.

while Romney only pays an EFFECTIVE RATE that is higher than 97% of America his actual tax payments put him in the top .05 percent

In our economic system the most efficient way to insure growth is to tax income NOT spent at a higher rate. Not only does it not affect consumer spending but it actually helps growth by getting money back into circulation that would otherwise be lost to the economy. The rich alway have the option of using that excess income to invest in their business if they don't want to give it to Uncle Sam. Either way it is better than them just socking it away for a rainy day. Why do you think the FED has had to print so much money since the crash? There is not enough money in circulation to service a healthy economy.
 
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He clearly thinks we need even more government and that government needs even more money.

Do you just read one post that responded to me, disregard the rest of the thread, and then write a response attacking liberals but using me as an example?
 
I will be a libby do gooder until you stop your war on the poor.

You do know what seperates the "libby do gooders" from the rest of the do gooders, right?
The libbys want govt to pay for it.....
The govt doens't have enough money to take care of us all.

But you be sure and get a good job after college, and pay into Social Security so I can continue to get my monthly check, OK?:2razz:
 
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