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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

I agree, and I didn't mean to paint the picture that way, but I was trying to prove a point that people who start out in a bad position are likely to make bad decisions later in life, IE your two brothers.

That's their own fault.
 
Wealth redistribution :)

To give those who don't have the fair shot, a fairer shot. To say that life sucks is an understatement. To say that someone people have a terrible life and are a victim of their childhood is a correct statement, which would mean we should help these people out.

do it tomorrow, and in 5 years most of the wealth will be right back where it was.....

stupidity should not be subsidized..
 
we don't have to stay in the environment we are born into....one of the smartest things I ever did was move far away from my family....

One of the smartest things I did was stop listening to my sister.
 
That's their own fault.

lol, you have completely missed my point then. Again, how is it your "fault" that you have the IQ that you do? How is it your "fault" that you went to elementary school (assuming you did)? How is it your "fault" you had a sister? How is it your "fault" that any event in your life occurred? Hell, how is it a rape victim's fault that they were raped?
 
lol, you have completely missed my point then. Again, how is it your "fault" that you have the IQ that you do? How is it your "fault" that you went to elementary school (assuming you did)? How is it your "fault" you had a sister? How is it your "fault" that any event in your life occurred? Hell, how is it a rape victim's fault that they were raped?

No one is placing fault on things that are out of our control.
 
No one is placing fault on things that are out of our control.

I'm arguing that everything is out of our control :).

Anyways, I'm off for the day.

I'll stick around until Utah comes back actually because I can't accuse someone of being pro eugenics and then leaving lol.
 
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My daughter runs a web site that keeps her busy, has 4 kids ages 5 to 15, a husband who also runs a small business, etc. and does use a hired house cleaner on occasion, but mostly she makes the kids help out. I bet Ann Romney put her kids to work.....

I'll bet she did too. Chores teach responsibility. My parents had a full-time maid, but she wasn't allowed to touch our rooms or bathroom or do our laundry. And I began working (beyond babysitting) at 14. We didn't have allowances either.

I just don't understand trying to categorize Ann Romney (or any woman or man) by wealth. So many assumptions being made, and reducing an individual human being, a mother, to one facet of her life is just sad.
 
I'm arguing that everything is out of our control :).

Anyways, I'm off for the day.

No, not everything is out of our control. You choose to do drugs, be a drunk, spend yourself into oblivion, choose the wrong spouse, etc. Bad choices are just that - choices. Who your family is or your genetic makeup isn't your choice, but you can sure choose to rise above it.
 
I agree, and I didn't mean to paint the picture that way, but I was trying to prove a point that people who start out in a bad position are likely to make bad decisions later in life, IE your two brothers.
The system I grew up in was much the same as it is now, if you want to have a better life, work at it.
Not once in High School did the school counselors or any of the teachers call me in and ask why my grades were slipping. They never asked why my parents had NO contact with the school. I felt nobody cared. I was right. So I made a plan, and worked at it.
It would probably help if the schools had more programs that expose kids to reality, starting at age 12, and I don't mean the stupid reality shows on TV....
 
Wealth redistribution :)

To give those who don't have the fair shot, a fairer shot. To say that life sucks is an understatement. To say that someone people have a terrible life and are a victim of their childhood is a correct statement, which would mean we should help these people out.

You want to give money to people you think can't make it anyways due to their lack of IQ?
 
Partially right, everyone pays taxes on goods that they buy that is why most states don't raise this because it is in a sense a tax raise on the poor. I think the problem here though is that we don't have the exact right amount of people who should be subsidized. That is a very hard line to find I would think.


It has to be fixed. How long do you think the country can stand if those paying taxes, fed & state, can carrying the burden for those not paying taxes?

When it becomes the reverse 48% paying and 52% taking it is unsustainable. You could today take everthing from Romeny, Gates, Buffett, Kenndys, Trumps, et al, and it wouldn't even pay the interest on the country's debt for a week.
 
No, not everything is out of our control. You choose to do drugs, be a drunk, spend yourself into oblivion, choose the wrong spouse, etc. Bad choices are just that - choices. Who your family is or your genetic makeup isn't your choice, but you can sure choose to rise above it.

So someone that has never tried alcohol before, not knowing how they will react to it, then becomes an alcoholic and the original choice was to become one? How bout a drug addict who decides to try pot for the first time and becomes addicted to that. Was their original intent to be addicted to it? No... Are they in control of their behavior henceforth? No, they are high... How about someone who chooses a wrong spouse? They may not of known all the facts about this person they were being married to. You will probably argue that they then shouldn't of gotten married to them. Relationships change though...

You can "choose" to rise above bad genes? WHAT!?! So someone who is mentally ill, cannot function as a person need only will themselves to work hard? My Oh My, you have just solved the worlds problems here.
 
It has to be fixed. How long do you think the country can stand if those paying taxes, fed & state, can carrying the burden for those not paying taxes?

When it becomes the reverse 48% paying and 52% taking it is unsustainable. You could today take everthing from Romeny, Gates, Buffett, Kenndys, Trumps, et al, and it wouldn't even pay the interest on the country's debt for a week.

Taking all of their money is one thing, taking a portion of their income is quite the opposite.
 
Taking all of their money is one thing, taking a portion of their income is quite the opposite.

We already do that... taxes.
 
You want to give money to people you think can't make it anyways due to their lack of IQ?

lol, another pro eugenics has joined the discussion. (I'm asking what you propose instead here just FYI)
 
So someone that has never tried alcohol before, not knowing how they will react to it, then becomes an alcoholic and the original choice was to become one? How bout a drug addict who decides to try pot for the first time and becomes addicted to that. Was their original intent to be addicted to it? No... Are they in control of their behavior henceforth? No, they are high... How about someone who chooses a wrong spouse? They may not of known all the facts about this person they were being married to. You will probably argue that they then shouldn't of gotten married to them. Relationships change though...

You can "choose" to rise above bad genes? WHAT!?! So someone who is mentally ill, cannot function as a person need only will themselves to work hard? My Oh My, you have just solved the worlds problems here.

If they can't rise above "bad genes" what good is artificially propping them up? What good does that do society other than promoting artificial fitness of these genetic detriments to our society?
 
If they can't rise above "bad genes" what good is artificially propping them up? What good does that do society other than promoting artificial fitness of these genetic detriments to our society?

You should address the pro eugenic nature of your posts.

(Hint: Nazis were Eugenics)
 
lol, another pro eugenics has joined the discussion. (I'm asking what you propose instead here just FYI)

I'm actually very anti-eugenics, which is why I think your "bad genes" theory is absurd. Beyond that, I can't for the life of me understand how you think giving handouts to people you say are un-help-able makes any friggin sense what-so-ever. :shrug:
 
So someone that has never tried alcohol before, not knowing how they will react to it, then becomes an alcoholic and the original choice was to become one?

No one who tries alcohol says, "Hey, I'm SO gonna become an alcoholic! Score!" That's stupid. They choose to keep drinking it. Their fault.

How bout a drug addict who decides to try pot for the first time and becomes addicted to that. Was their original intent to be addicted to it? No... Are they in control of their behavior henceforth? No, they are high...

Oh, c'mon. They chose to try a drug that they should KNOW makes people high. Their fault.

How about someone who chooses a wrong spouse? They may not of known all the facts about this person they were being married to. You will probably argue that they then shouldn't of gotten married to them. Relationships change though...

If you don't know your bf/gf, don't get married. Duh.

You can "choose" to rise above bad genes? WHAT!?! So someone who is mentally ill, cannot function as a person need only will themselves to work hard? My Oh My, you have just solved the worlds problems here.

"Bad genes" encompasses many things including being more likely to have heart disease, diabetes, etc. Being mentally ill is a whole other area because that person didn't choose to be mentally ill. I have no problem helping those that cannot help themselves.
 
lol right, but the reason you moved away wasn't because you knew it would be conducive to your survival. It was probably just because you were annoyed with your family. Luck was on your side ;).
Annoyed doesn't begin to describe it.....
my parents wanted all their children to have the same disadvantages....
 
You should address the pro eugenic nature of your posts.

(Hint: Nazis were Eugenics)

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
 
I'm actually very anti-eugenics, which is why I think your "bad genes" theory is absurd. Beyond that, I can't for the life of me understand how you think giving handouts to people you say are un-help-able makes any friggin sense what-so-ever. :shrug:

Giving hand outs to people who need it is a good thing. I don't see how someone can approach this moral question and end with an answer of no, we shouldn't help those in need.
 
You should address the pro eugenic nature of your posts.

(Hint: Nazis were Eugenics)

As were many early 20th century American progressives.
 
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