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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

Josie said:
I think you might need to change your lean.
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lol, in one forum someone said I should change it to this and now you are suggesting otherwise? What should I do Haha... (Other maybe?)
 
Jryan said:
No, I am merely saying that because of the system that we have, only a few can be rich and live the good life; therefore, this is why I used the word luck. You don't will yourself into a conducive environment for learning, you don't will yourself to have good parents, you don't will yourself not to have clubbed feet, you don't will yourself to have a high IQ, therefore you cannot will yourself to be rich; furthermore, you then cannot expect the other hard working Americans to feel like they have been taken advantage of by a system in which they have no control over; therefore, they demand that these lucky people give back to a society that they have reaped such a huge benefit from. In a sense, humility.
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I realize there are people in our society that can not take care of themselves for various reasons. And IMO, we should help those in these conditions.

But you will never convince me that 48% of taxpayers who don't pay any taxes are all in that group. I can remember having to pay my taxes and wondering where I was gonna get the money because I was living from paycheck to paycheck. It taught me a great lesson, work hard and save more.

Sure crap happens in everyone's life. Sure we are all not dealt the same cards. Do I like it no. But will I lay down and do nothing about bettering my circumstances, no.
 
Jryan said:
So what do you propose that a city like Chicago does? Cut taxes on the rich and cut government spending? You would be leaving one of the poorest cities in our nation with nothing to live for...
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What do I propose......I propose that all of them quit electing Democrats thinking that they stand for them and their way of life. I propose taking these 3 three top Largest Cities in the US away from Democratically controlled governments and put them into the hands of fiscally responsible people understanding that Country Comes first Not Party.
 
Jryan said:
The difference is that the liberal rich people view their wealth as luck, as apposed to the right who view their riches as something they worked hard for and therefore earned. The right feel entitled to the money that they have.

Me, I tend to falter to the side of humbleness as apposed to the side of greediness.
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Really, you think that someone that attended Princeton and Harvard views their success as luck?
 
Billy the Kid said:
I realize there are people in our society that can not take care of themselves for various reasons. And IMO, we should help those in these conditions.

But you will never convince me that 48% of taxpayers who don't pay any taxes are all in that group. I can remember having to pay my taxes and wondering where I was gonna get the money because I was living from paycheck to paycheck. It taught me a great lesson, work hard and save more.

Sure crap happens in everyone's life. Sure we are all not dealt the same cards. Do I like it no. But will I lay down and do nothing about bettering my circumstances, no.
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Partially right, everyone pays taxes on goods that they buy that is why most states don't raise this because it is in a sense a tax raise on the poor. I think the problem here though is that we don't have the exact right amount of people who should be subsidized. That is a very hard line to find I would think.
 
Peter King said:
And your point is what? That Michelle Obama isn't the regular US mom? You are absolutely right about that, she is not a regular mom, but she is not being used by her husband as his public advisor/source about the hardships of regular women.
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Really....hmm

Chirpstory - First Lady Michelle Obama Reaches out to Women Voters
Michelle Obama Reaches Out to Military Women - NYTimes.com
White House reaches out to women voters - Abby Phillip - POLITICO.com
The Badger Herald: News: Michelle Obama reaches out to women, students at UW
 
mac said:
Really, you think that someone that attended Princeton and Harvard views their success as luck?
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Lol, you straw manned the rest of my argument...

Lets take a look at IQ (Intelligence Quotient indicates how well you will do in school and subsequently the SAT is a form of an IQ test to tell you how well you will do in College). The IQ test is designed to measure how well someone will do in school. It has been found out that 80% of someone's IQ comes from their genetics and 20% comes from their upbringing. Now how big of a difference 20% makes depends on the scale of the numerical IQ someone has (We use 1~300ish), but we don't know if IQ is measured physically as 1-1X10^20000. So in a sense, you don't have control of your brain that you claim to have developed so eloquently. You are a product of a preconceived genetic process. So whether you have free will in a moment to moment situation isn't even on the table, if you are a product of things that you have no control over, how is it that anyone can just work hard and make millions? Hell, what if they were never told this? What if they were born into a bad family and lost some of their potential IQ?
 
jgarden47 said:
Our conservative "friends" take exception for comments made about Ann Romney being a "stay-at-home mother"

BUT

when Michelle Obama attempts to focus public attention on the problem of childhood obesity in America, which of the GOP presidential candidates is first in line to heap "self-serving" criticism and ridicule on her initiatives - Mitt Romney!
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Oh, the humanity!
 
Jryan said:
Lets take a look at IQ (Intelligence Quotient indicates how well you will do in school and subsequently the SAT is a form of an IQ test to tell you how well you will do in College). The IQ test is designed to measure how well someone will do in school. It has been found out that 80% of someone's IQ comes from their genetics and 20% comes from their upbringing. Now how big of a difference 20% makes depends on the scale of the numerical IQ someone has (We use 1~300ish), but we don't know if IQ is measured physically as 1-1X10^20000. So in a sense, you don't have control of your brain that you claim to have developed so eloquently. You are a product of a preconceived genetic process. So whether you have free will in a moment to moment situation isn't even on the table, if you are a product of things that you have no control over, how is it that anyone can just work hard and make millions? Hell, what if they were never told this? What if they were born into a bad family and lost some of their potential IQ?
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Correction: 40 to 80%.

The Bell Curve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IQ Test Experts - IQ Myths - IQ Articles
 
Jryan said:
Ah, I was going off memory :), no where does it say that freewill influences your IQ though...
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So you're assuming that we have free will? :)
 
Jryan said:
Lol, you straw manned the rest of my argument...

Lets take a look at IQ (Intelligence Quotient indicates how well you will do in school and subsequently the SAT is a form of an IQ test to tell you how well you will do in College). The IQ test is designed to measure how well someone will do in school. It has been found out that 80% of someone's IQ comes from their genetics and 20% comes from their upbringing. Now how big of a difference 20% makes depends on the scale of the numerical IQ someone has (We use 1~300ish), but we don't know if IQ is measured physically as 1-1X10^20000. So in a sense, you don't have control of your brain that you claim to have developed so eloquently. You are a product of a preconceived genetic process. So whether you have free will in a moment to moment situation isn't even on the table, if you are a product of things that you have no control over, how is it that anyone can just work hard and make millions? Hell, what if they were never told this? What if they were born into a bad family and lost some of their potential IQ?
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You've got to be kidding me, right?

If you really believe this, than obviously you know that no government program is going to help the majority of these "dolts" not so gifted with genetics and upbringing succeed. Right? So, what's the point in artificially propping up the majority (in your view) of these automatons that are mentally incapable of cutting it on their own?

So much for the American dream...
 
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Jryan said:
lol, in one forum someone said I should change it to this and now you are suggesting otherwise? What should I do Haha... (Other maybe?)
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Wealth distribution is definitely not a tenant of libertarianism. What else about libertarianism do you agree with?
 
mac said:
You've got to be kidding me, right?

If you really believe this, than obviously you know that no government program is going to help the majority of these "dolts" not so gifted with genetics and upbringing succeed. Right? So, what's the point in artificially propping up the majority (in your view) of these automatons that are mentally incapable of cutting it on their own?

So much for the American dream...
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What I think you're missing is that there isn't a very high correlation between IQ and job performance.
 
Peter King said:
Well, it is surely a lot of hard work to raise 5 children, but it is a little bit easier if you have hired help to do work that working class mothers cannot outsource to paid help. A working mother has to work 1 or 2 jobs, raise the children and also (usually almost by herself) run the household and do all the household chores.

I am not sure she had paid help all the time but for parts of the childrens life/Ann Romney's run as a mother she has had paid help to do things that working mothers do not have access to.
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My daughter runs a web site that keeps her busy, has 4 kids ages 5 to 15, a husband who also runs a small business, etc. and does use a hired house cleaner on occasion, but mostly she makes the kids help out. I bet Ann Romney put her kids to work.....
 
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UtahBill said:
My daughter runs a web site that keeps her busy, has 4 kids ages 5 to 15, a husband, etc. and does use a hired house cleaner on occasion, but mostly she makes the kids help out. I bet Ann Romney put her kids to work.....
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Slave drivers!!!!11 :p
 
lpast said:
Id like to know how many Nannys she had over the years raising her 5 boys....look no matter how you look at this, it boils down to common sense.
Did Ann Romney ever have a Job...No!! she did not....She raised 5 boys like millions of other moms...and its alot easier to raise 5 kids when you have 100,000,000 than it is to raise 5 kids and HAVE to go to work everyday and come home and have to raise them and cook and clean and try to pay the bills and keep the ship afloat among ALL the other things mothers do..
My wife had 5 kids to raise and she worked full time 6 days a week mostly in salons and eventually owned a few and ran the business'
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so far, there is no indication that they ever had even ONE nanny......
 
AdamT said:
What I think you're missing is that there isn't a very high correlation between IQ and job performance.
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It wasn't my assumption that there was, that assumption belongs to Jryan. Apparently you missed the sarcastic nature of my post.
 
Josie said:
Wealth distribution is definitely not a tenant of libertarianism. What else about libertarianism do you agree with?
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Their social issues, IE the war, same sex marriage (Government shouldn't dictate), domestic surveillance, eminent domain, etc etc.

What I don't agree with is probably a longer list...
 
Jryan said:
Their social issues, IE the war, same sex marriage (Government shouldn't dictate), domestic surveillance, eminent domain, etc etc.

What I don't agree with is probably a longer list...
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So why label yourself with something you mostly disagree with?
 
Jryan said:
No, I am merely saying that because of the system that we have, only a few can be rich and live the good life; therefore, this is why I used the word luck. You don't will yourself into a conducive environment for learning, you don't will yourself to have good parents, you don't will yourself not to have clubbed feet, you don't will yourself to have a high IQ, therefore you cannot will yourself to be rich; furthermore, you then cannot expect the other hard working Americans to feel like they have been taken advantage of by a system in which they have no control over; therefore, they demand that these lucky people give back to a society that they have reaped such a huge benefit from. In a sense, humility.
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some of us are disadvantaged, 2 of my siblings had learning disabilities...
But they were also either dishonest on the job, or lazy and would not look for work, etc. They took their bad luck and made it worse.
You don't have to be rich to live the good life, as much as you have to use good judgement. My wife and I never earned the really big bucks until the last few working years, but we are living well now. There is no right to happiness, just the pursuit of it. If you don't pursue it, whose fault is it? If money is your prime determinant for happiness, then your life is shallow to start with.
 
UtahBill said:
some of us are disadvantaged, 2 of my siblings had learning disabilities...
But they were also either dishonest on the job, or lazy and would not look for work, etc. They took their bad luck and made it worse.
You don't have to be rich to live the good life, as much as you have to use good judgement. My wife and I never earned the really big bucks until the last few working years, but we are living well now. There is no right to happiness, just the pursuit of it. If you don't pursue it, whose fault is it? If money is your prime determinant for happiness, then your life is shallow to start with.
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I agree, and I didn't mean to paint the picture that way, but I was trying to prove a point that people who start out in a bad position are likely to make bad decisions later in life, IE your two brothers.
 
Jryan said:
No Josie, I'm saying that you don't, in reality, get the choice to have the good life. You are born into a circumstance with backgrounds in which you have no control over. Someone who is born into a rich family with caring and loving parents is statistically more likely to have a higher paying job than someone who is born into a family that only provides a life long emergency for that child.
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we don't have to stay in the environment we are born into....one of the smartest things I ever did was move far away from my family....
 
UtahBill said:
we don't have to stay in the environment we are born into....one of the smartest things I ever did was move far away from my family....
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lol right, but the reason you moved away wasn't because you knew it would be conducive to your survival. It was probably just because you were annoyed with your family. Luck was on your side ;).
 
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