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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

Jryan said:
Oh right, so there is X amount of dollars on the planet. So if a person makes Y (A large sum of X money) how can a person Z make a large sum of this X money?
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This is where you are dead wrong.

j-mac
 
TurtleDude said:
I love the tradeoffs you see

its like your master Obama who claimed that for most people SACRIFICE is getting less government benefits or spending and for us top rate tax payers its paying MORE MONEY in taxes meaning we don't benefit from the government since less government is only a sacrifice for everyone but the rich

You labor under the idiotic delusion apparently that more government is always better and less government is always bad
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I'm sure you'll eat your words when I say, "I could agree to cutting all government by 10-25% and passing budget bill" as long as their are tax increases on the rich.
 
Jryan said:
Oh right, so there is X amount of dollars on the planet. So if a person makes Y (A large sum of X money) how can a person Z make a large sum of this X money?
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There's a finite amount of dollars on the planet?
 
TurtleDude said:
I love the tradeoffs you see

its like your master Obama who claimed that for most people SACRIFICE is getting less government benefits or spending and for us top rate tax payers its paying MORE MONEY in taxes meaning we don't benefit from the government since less government is only a sacrifice for everyone but the rich

You labor under the idiotic delusion apparently that more government is always better and less government is always bad
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Could we please cease and desist with the tired and cliched YOUR MASTER nonsense? Turtle - you are too smart and too educated to have to resort to such absurdities.
 
j-mac said:
This is where you are dead wrong.

j-mac
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Well lets use the same example except the as Y approaches X, Y's income decreases. Therefore, not everyone can make as much money as they conceivably want to. IE, not everyone can be in the Y category because of our population.
 
Jryan said:
I'm sure you'll eat your words when I say, "I could agree to cutting all government by 10-25% and passing budget bill" as long as their are tax increases on the rich.
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Yes, and you've already said that they should be paying 90% of their income. You do realize that leaves almost no money to pay employees, right?
 
Jryan said:
I'm sure you'll eat your words when I say, "I could agree to cutting all government by 10-25% and passing budget bill" as long as their are tax increases on the rich.
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you are still wrong then-why should the only group that actually pays far more taxes than what they use or a far higher share of the income tax than their share of the income be the only ones who pay more taxes?

you haven't figured out that the only way to make too much government distasteful to the very people who have demanded more and more government is to make those masses pay more and more taxes
 
Jryan said:
I'm sure you'll eat your words when I say, "I could agree to cutting all government by 10-25% and passing budget bill" as long as their are tax increases on the rich.
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No! Obama, and his policies have utterly failed disastrously. He gets NOTHING he wants from here on out!


j-mac
 
TurtleDude said:
you are still wrong then-why should the only group that actually pays far more taxes than what they use or a far higher share of the income tax than their share of the income be the only ones who pay more taxes?

you haven't figured out that the only way to make too much government distasteful to the very people who have demanded more and more government is to make those masses pay more and more taxes
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Have you noticed what job you have? You are a lawyer, without taxes you would have no one to defend and no job. So, ummm...
 
Jryan said:
Oh? So you think I got more than I am worth by going to school and I mean grade school? (That is the only thing I have benefited from besides driving a school bus as a job)
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No, I think you got what you were/are satisfied with.
 
UtahBill said:
what needs to be shared is a better job market....people who are gainfully employed are less likely to be obsessing about the rich..
But, I have always maintained that our economy works better if we have 1,000 millionaires instead of 1 billionaire.
The "playing field" could be made more level...
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How in the name of god do you think more taxes will make for a better job market? The more regulations and taxes you have, the easier it is for larger entities to enable crony legislation that benefits them.
 
UtahBill said:
I don't agree that the rich are utterly clueless.....but the poor? Anybody who expects to be taken care of just because they were born in the USA is clueless...
We can't expect to continue as a nation if the takers outnumber the providers.
I'll take an idiot savant any day if the savant part can improve the economy and increase employment.
But so far, most of the politicians savant part seems to be idiocy.
Romney is smart with a business background. Obama is smart with a legal/political background.
It doesn't matter if either or both knows the price of groceries, it matters what they know about getting off this death spiral our economy is in...
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I didn't say the rich were clueless - you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was that Romney was clueless. There are lots of rich people who have a clue. Warren Buffet. Bill Gates.
 
Jryan said:
Well lets use the same example except the as Y approaches X, Y's income decreases. Therefore, not everyone can make as much money as they conceivably want to. IE, not everyone can be in the Y category because of our population.
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Why is that X's problem? Let Y figure out how to achieve it.

j-mac
 
Jryan said:
Well lets use the same example except the as Y approaches X, Y's income decreases. Therefore, not everyone can make as much money as they conceivably want to. IE, not everyone can be in the Y category because of our population.
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With respect to your supposition what did the president mean when he said 'a rising tide raises all boats'? IOW if all boats are raised how could 'y's income decrease? if BHO is correct...
 
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haymarket said:
Could we please cease and desist with the tired and cliched YOUR MASTER nonsense? Turtle - you are too smart and too educated to have to resort to such absurdities.
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Agree completely with your first sentence. Disagree completely with your second.
 
j-mac said:
Why is that X's problem? Let Y figure out how to achieve it.

j-mac
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Let me tell you what X, Y, Z represents. I may of been a little unclear for us non-math folk.

X, in my example, is the amount of money on the face of the planet.
Y, is the rich people
Z, is the poor people
 
Wiggen said:
I didn't say the rich were clueless - you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was that Romney was clueless. There are lots of rich people who have a clue. Warren Buffet. Bill Gates.
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Oh, they have a clue alright. They are just being dishonest about whom they think should pony up in their opinions...BTW, their opinion means no more than mine, and so for what they want? who cares?


j-mac
 
Jryan said:
Have you noticed what job you have? You are a lawyer, without taxes you would have no one to defend and no job. So, ummm...
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More idiocy,

here is the problem

we have an environment where those who drive government spending don't pay sufficient amounts of taxes to pay for what they want. If they had to pay for what they want, we'd have far less government. the progressive income tax was a scheme created by congress to buy votes because it allows congress to pander to the many without pissing the many off by making them actually pay for what they want.
 
Wiggen said:
I'm a taxpayer and have been for 48 years. Don't include me in your right wing fantasies.
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Anyone with any where-with-all works. No gold star for doing what you should be doing. You also have a betting problem, right? :lamo
 
Jryan said:
Let me tell you what X, Y, Z represents. I may of been a little unclear for us non-math folk.

X, in my example, is the amount of money on the face of the planet.
Y, is the rich people
Z, is the poor people
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Your problem is that you think that wealth is a finite sum of money. You are dead wrong.

j-mac
 
Jryan said:
Secondly, how do you suggest (again I have altered it slightly) people get to work, find a job, or go get food without a mode of transportation?
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First, you are the one that went down the path from access to right. People already have 'access' to all the things you mentioned. All they need to do if they want them, is work.

As far as how to get out and about, um, how about doing it like hundreds of millions have done in the past? Put for the effort and make it happen. Take responsibility for oneself.

Not setting a limit of when I would propose someone be taxed at these levels but 10% of 20 million is still 2 million. If you can't live off a salary of 2 million dollars a year, and I mean live lavishly, then you are not a millionaire.
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Who the hell are you to determine that someone that makes 20 million only 'needs' 2 million? Who are you to suggest you even know what others need or deserve once they have achieved success. And I ask again, how does that provide any incentive for people to work to achieve great success?
 
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