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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I have not read this thread and briefly read this "story".

    Several comments ...

    First although I would never vote for Romney ... I like Ann Romney's sense of humor and demeanor and have nothing personal against her. She is beautiful and has a kind energy about her.

    On the strategist ... well my thoughts are this ... she was right and wrong. It was not about "stay at home moms" or that being a stay at home mom is not grueling work.

    I think strategist was trying to say ... that each and every day Ann had a complete and luxurious choice to do whatever she pleased. I am sure if Ann woke up with the flu she could have a driver take her kids to preschool and the chef prepare the meals until she recovered.

    Whenever Ann needed to refresh she could fly on a private jet to a spa with her friends for some R&R or hire a tutor if her child was struggling with a project. Many professional mothers go to work sick and struggle to buy the science project supplies and burn the mid night oil to help a kid with his project while trying to prepare an evening meal.

    I am sure Ann was very hands on and spent much more time with her children than most uber wealthy women and is a loving mother. However the majority of women cannot hope of paying college tuition , get a full nights sleep (even when they are sick) and struggle to make ends meet even when working 40+ hours weeks.

    Even with 5 children each and everyday Ann had choices not only to be "stay at home" but how much she wanted to do ... oh my gosh if once per month i could have gotten a full nights sleep and had a chef prepare dinner and simply snuggled in to read stories with my kids I would have felt spolied.

    That was the point the strategist was making.

    Obama is simply trying to make a point there is no war against choice for mothers or that stay at home mothers do not work and trying to diffuse an issue that does not even exist nor does he want to be negative or disrespectful to Ann Romney. I imagine he feels the same I do about her ... respectful and the same obvious thoughts I am writing.

    Of course on days Ann felt like preparing her own food from an unlimited budget in multi million dollar kitchens she probably did ... other days she might have enjoyed discretionary time to herself while the child care managed those details and came home to read a story and dote on her sons.

    Ann seems like a cool person who would not flaunt her wealth or ignore her children ... yet she had all the surrounding hundreds of millions to have whatever support she needed to have those special moments completely stress free of the challenges 99.9% of us mothers face.

    That is cool for Ann and lucky her ... yet I do not feel she is qualified to know the 24/7 challenges of either typical middle class income stay at home moms or mothers who are breadwinners and also devoted to family. I do believe she seems compassionate and is probably thinking to herself " I have no clue how those women do it!"

    Ann seems to be a lovely lady ... yet she has no reality of even the challenges my upper middle class neighbor faces who is morman, husband is a surgeon and has 5 boys let alone the 99.9 % of mothers who are stay at home or work outside the home.

    That said ... Ann seems absolutely lovely and very unassuming and kind for a woman of her vast fortune.


    Sounds like you're describing Jackie Kennedy. Amazing how the rich all seem to live the same lifestyles.

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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

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    All men are created equal, indeed. The policy was self serving for the USG. The USG needed college educated people, so sending them off to war was counter productive. That's not their fault, blame the govt for serving it's own ends.

    edit: Another example is my Grandfather. He was actually denied enlistment in WWII because he was a ship yard worker and the USG needed him more there than in the war.


    oh, and by the way....the administrations leading up to and during the majority of Vietnam were Democrat.
    Interesting, I still think that the military should've considered him, IE have him on their payroll. I just don't think people should be exempt from the draft system.

    Oh, and by the way... the administration from 70 years ago does not represent anything that our current political party does.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Interesting, I still think that the military should've considered him, IE have him on their payroll. I just don't think people should be exempt from the draft system.
    Well, first, we no longer have a draft, Second, what's the point of having soldiers and sailors if no one is making them stuff to use?

    Oh, and by the way... the administration from 70 years ago does not represent anything that our current political party does.
    So, JFK and Lyndon are not people you identify with? The Dems have split with their ideologies?
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, first, we no longer have a draft, Second, what's the point of having soldiers and sailors if no one is making them stuff to use?



    So, JFK and Lyndon are not people you identify with? The Dems have split with their ideologies?
    i do identify with them but that doesn't mean that they represent my beliefs completely.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    i do identify with them but that doesn't mean that they represent my beliefs completely.
    So saying that the the "administration from 70 years ago does not represent anything that our current political party does" isn't quite accurate, is it?

    Would you also say that the current Democrats and Woodrow, FDR, and Jackson, have nothing in common?

    Also, you never did explain why you think giving money to people that are genetically incapable of success was a good thing. Please do.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    i do identify with them but that doesn't mean that they represent my beliefs completely.

    In general what would you part beliefs with JFK for example?


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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Sounds like you're describing Jackie Kennedy. Amazing how the rich all seem to live the same lifestyles.
    Exactly ... I would write the same about Jackie Kennedy although she was before my time.

    Another point and I may be wrong ... I do not recall reading JFK basing his economic policy on what Jackie thought ... in fact Jackie was so old fashioned she did not advive him on such matters.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Originally Posted by Dion
    I have not read this thread and briefly read this "story".

    Several comments ...

    First although I would never vote for Romney ... I like Ann Romney's sense of humor and demeanor and have nothing personal against her. She is beautiful and has a kind energy about her.

    On the strategist ... well my thoughts are this ... she was right and wrong. It was not about "stay at home moms" or that being a stay at home mom is not grueling work.

    I think strategist was trying to say ... that each and every day Ann had a complete and luxurious choice to do whatever she pleased. I am sure if Ann woke up with the flu she could have a driver take her kids to preschool and the chef prepare the meals until she recovered.

    Whenever Ann needed to refresh she could fly on a private jet to a spa with her friends for some R&R or hire a tutor if her child was struggling with a project. Many professional mothers go to work sick and struggle to buy the science project supplies and burn the mid night oil to help a kid with his project while trying to prepare an evening meal.

    I am sure Ann was very hands on and spent much more time with her children than most uber wealthy women and is a loving mother. However the majority of women cannot hope of paying college tuition , get a full nights sleep (even when they are sick) and struggle to make ends meet even when working 40+ hours weeks.

    Even with 5 children each and everyday Ann had choices not only to be "stay at home" but how much she wanted to do ... oh my gosh if once per month i could have gotten a full nights sleep and had a chef prepare dinner and simply snuggled in to read stories with my kids I would have felt spolied.

    That was the point the strategist was making.

    Obama is simply trying to make a point there is no war against choice for mothers or that stay at home mothers do not work and trying to diffuse an issue that does not even exist nor does he want to be negative or disrespectful to Ann Romney. I imagine he feels the same I do about her ... respectful and the same obvious thoughts I am writing.

    Of course on days Ann felt like preparing her own food from an unlimited budget in multi million dollar kitchens she probably did ... other days she might have enjoyed discretionary time to herself while the child care managed those details and came home to read a story and dote on her sons.

    Ann seems like a cool person who would not flaunt her wealth or ignore her children ... yet she had all the surrounding hundreds of millions to have whatever support she needed to have those special moments completely stress free of the challenges 99.9% of us mothers face.

    That is cool for Ann and lucky her ... yet I do not feel she is qualified to know the 24/7 challenges of either typical middle class income stay at home moms or mothers who are breadwinners and also devoted to family. I do believe she seems compassionate and is probably thinking to herself " I have no clue how those women do it!"

    Ann seems to be a lovely lady ... yet she has no reality of even the challenges my upper middle class neighbor faces who is morman, husband is a surgeon and has 5 boys let alone the 99.9 % of mothers who are stay at home or work outside the home.

    That said ... Ann seems absolutely lovely and very unassuming and kind for a woman of her vast fortune.



    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You express some quite condescending ideas in lovely, gracious words. Please, a woman with a "vast fortune" typically behaves a certain way, but Ann Romney has somehow risen about this?

    And can someone understand another's reality without experiencing it? Yes, and emphathize too.

    Does a "vast fortune" distance a woman from external reality? Not necessarily, not if she's in the world.

    Are there some realities that all women share irrespective of their "stations" in life? Yes. We all know those who are less and more fortunate than we are. Some have money concerns, some have kid or parent concerns, and some have shared health concerns.

    Those of us who are mothers have much common ground irrespective of our bank accounts. All the money in the world can't protect you from cancer or multiple sclerosis either. If the Romneys were facing what the Santorums now are--or any other parent whose child has a terminal disease--their reality wouldn't be any different at all.
    I do not feel condescending towards Ann whatsoever and quoted my own post.

    Yes ... a woman with breast cancer can relate to Ann on some level yet if that said women is like most and loses health ins when she runs out of sick time and loses her job ... files bankruptcy to pay medical bills when she can no longer maintain her employment, loses her house and her kids are shuffled about ... they are on different realms. When that same women is puking in the toilet while her 4 and 6 year old watch and eat chips because there is no back up system such as the services hundreds of millions of discretionary income provide .... that is where the two women part ways.

    Now would I want Ann to have to experience that common scenario that I see every single day in my work regarding families in health crisis ... heck no!

    Do I think she would feel empathy ... heck yes!

    Do I think she can persuade ( or would even attempt to persuade) the GOP to consider options that would allow a small business owner to have free market options to be able to provide health insurance for their 12 employees ... heck no!

    She is not an economic advisor ... yes she would make a lovely first Lady.

    Really the strategist had a point and it was simply the point I made in my post quoted and not anything else and the GOP seized on the moment to make an issue where none really exists.

    Yes they can bond on some level ... yet again Ann is probably thinking " I feel empathetic yet have no clue how she does it! " when viewing the 99.9 % of women in America.
    Last edited by Turin; 04-14-12 at 09:03 PM.

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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Ding ding ding. I'm really liking on Dion right now.

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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Sounds like you're describing Jackie Kennedy. Amazing how the rich all seem to live the same lifestyles.
    And Michelle Obama....


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