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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    This much I am pretty sure of, Romney is NOT government as usual, he will do a much better job of selecting staff than has been done in a long time. Also, he isn't beholden to the GOP power structure, which would just as soon have a more pliable person in the WH. and he is perfectlly willing to fire non-productive employees.
    Wait, Bill, is this sarcasm or are you actually serious?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

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    Well, when life gives you lemons...
    Make fruit batteries.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Back to Ann Romney.....I have experience with how mormons operate when dealing with people who need help...they don't mess around, they get things done. If her health holds up, she will do the same as many first ladies have, pick a cause and do what she can to promote it. The BS from the far right about Michelle Obama and nutrition was just plain stupid. I hope Ann doens't get the same flak from the extreme left but from some of the posts here, it doesn't look good. I used to think that, on average, liberals were nicer people when sparring in the political ring, but I may be wrong. Time will tell.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    use them as plugs?
    Whatever flips your switch.

    I am pretty sure that wall street is full of crooks, and am very disappointed that Obama didn't prosecute more of them.
    congress has a few as well, but Obama did push thru a bill about trading on inside information by members of congress...
    If they aren't doing anything illegal, as distasteful as we think it is, then they can't be prosecuted. I would hope each and everyone of them that are doing something illegal are prosecuted though. As far as congress.....like Rangel, for example....
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Wait, Bill, is this sarcasm or are you actually serious?
    serious, there has to be a reason the GOP picked McCain last time around instead of Romney.
    McCain graduated at almost the bottom of his class at Anapolis, he only got in based on his father being an Admiral.. Also he was known to spend a lot of time chasing women.
    Romney did Law school and his MBA simultaneously, and only chased one woman, Ann.

    Mitt was a governor, a state office.....

    IMO, serving as a senator or representative is not necessarily something to put on your resume' when running for the WH.
    You are identifying yourself as part of an infrastructure that would go against the anything the other side of the aisle is proposing it..no matter what the public wants..
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    I have not read this thread and briefly read this "story".

    Several comments ...

    First although I would never vote for Romney ... I like Ann Romney's sense of humor and demeanor and have nothing personal against her. She is beautiful and has a kind energy about her.

    On the strategist ... well my thoughts are this ... she was right and wrong. It was not about "stay at home moms" or that being a stay at home mom is not grueling work.

    I think strategist was trying to say ... that each and every day Ann had a complete and luxurious choice to do whatever she pleased. I am sure if Ann woke up with the flu she could have a driver take her kids to preschool and the chef prepare the meals until she recovered.

    Whenever Ann needed to refresh she could fly on a private jet to a spa with her friends for some R&R or hire a tutor if her child was struggling with a project. Many professional mothers go to work sick and struggle to buy the science project supplies and burn the mid night oil to help a kid with his project while trying to prepare an evening meal.

    I am sure Ann was very hands on and spent much more time with her children than most uber wealthy women and is a loving mother. However the majority of women cannot hope of paying college tuition , get a full nights sleep (even when they are sick) and struggle to make ends meet even when working 40+ hours weeks.

    Even with 5 children each and everyday Ann had choices not only to be "stay at home" but how much she wanted to do ... oh my gosh if once per month i could have gotten a full nights sleep and had a chef prepare dinner and simply snuggled in to read stories with my kids I would have felt spolied.

    That was the point the strategist was making.

    Obama is simply trying to make a point there is no war against choice for mothers or that stay at home mothers do not work and trying to diffuse an issue that does not even exist nor does he want to be negative or disrespectful to Ann Romney. I imagine he feels the same I do about her ... respectful and the same obvious thoughts I am writing.

    Of course on days Ann felt like preparing her own food from an unlimited budget in multi million dollar kitchens she probably did ... other days she might have enjoyed discretionary time to herself while the child care managed those details and came home to read a story and dote on her sons.

    Ann seems like a cool person who would not flaunt her wealth or ignore her children ... yet she had all the surrounding hundreds of millions to have whatever support she needed to have those special moments completely stress free of the challenges 99.9% of us mothers face.

    That is cool for Ann and lucky her ... yet I do not feel she is qualified to know the 24/7 challenges of either typical middle class income stay at home moms or mothers who are breadwinners and also devoted to family. I do believe she seems compassionate and is probably thinking to herself " I have no clue how those women do it!"

    Ann seems to be a lovely lady ... yet she has no reality of even the challenges my upper middle class neighbor faces who is morman, husband is a surgeon and has 5 boys let alone the 99.9 % of mothers who are stay at home or work outside the home.

    That said ... Ann seems absolutely lovely and very unassuming and kind for a woman of her vast fortune.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I have not read this thread and briefly read this "story".

    Several comments ...

    First although I would never vote for Romney ... I like Ann Romney's sense of humor and demeanor and have nothing personal against her.

    On the strategist ... well my thoughts are this ... she was right and wrong. It was not about "stay at home moms" or that being a stay at home mom is not grueling work.

    I think strategist was trying to say ... that each and every day Ann had a complete and luxurious choice to do whatever she pleased. I am sure if Ann woke up with the flu she could have a driver take her kids to preschool and the chef prepare the meals until she recovered.

    Whenever Ann needed to refresh she could fly on a private jet to a spa with her friends for some R&R or hire a tutor if her child was struggling with a project. Many professional mothers go to work sick and struggle to buy the science project supplies and burn the mid night oil to help a kid with his project while trying to prepare an evening meal.

    I am sure Snn was very hands on and spent much time with her children than most uber wealthy women and is a loving mother. However the majority of women cannot hope of paying college tuition , get a full nights sleep (even when they are sick) and struggle to make ends meet even when working 40+ hours weeks.

    Even with 5 children each and everyday Ann had choices not only to be "stay at home" but how much she wanted to do ... oh my gosh if once per month i could have gotten a full nights sleep and had a chef prepare dinner and simply snuggled in to read stories with my kids I would have felt spolied.

    That was the point the strategist was making.

    Obama is simply trying to make a point there is no war against choice for mothers or that stay at home mothers do not work and trying to diffuse an issue that does not even exist or does he want to be negative to Ann Romney. I imagine he feels the same I do about her ...respectful and the same thoughts I am writing.

    Of course on days Ann felt like preparing her own food from an unlimited budget in multi million dollar kitchens she probably did ... other days she might have enjoyed discretionary time to herself while the child care managed those details and came home to read a story and dote on her sons.

    Ann seems like a cool person who would not flaunt her wealth or ignore her children ... yet she had all the surrounding hundreds of millions to have whatever support she needed to have those special moments completely stress free of the challenges 99.9% of us mothers face.

    That is cool for Ann and lucky her ... yet I do not feel she is qualified to know the 24/7 challenges of either typical middle class income stay at home moms or mothers who are breadwinners and also devoted to family. I do believe she seems compassionate and is probably thinking to herself " I have no clue how those women do it!"

    Ann seems to be a lovely lady ... yet she has no reality of even the challenges my upper middle class neighbor faces who is morman, husband is a surgeon and has 5 boys let alone the 99.9 % of mothers who are stay at home or work outside the home.

    That said ... Ann seems absolutely lovely and very unassuming and kind for a woman of her vast fortune.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Meanwhile, to return to the topic of Ann Romney and whether she's ever worked at day in her life, she has worked outside the home, including being the director of an organization for inner-city girls and also a volunteer instructor at a multicultural middle school.

    Ann Romney's Résumé Includes More Than 'Stay-at-Home Mother' - NYTimes.com

    Throughout this debate, I've thought of my best friend, who is the most hard-working person I've ever met. And she can do everything except repair cars--sewing to stock portfolios. Put hubs through school as a phone cable splicer and can lay tile and carpet professionally. She's also been a stay-at-home mother doing literally everything but earn her husband's paycheck. Homeroom mom, Scout troop leader, Little League president, board of trustees of her church, leader of the wine-club. As her husband's career has grown, so has her management of everything else--expense accounts and taxes, passports, serious entertaining responsibilities. And she still irons her husband's shirts.

    You never know--maybe Ann Romney irons her husband's shirts too. Just because she loves him. And maybe she does knows what women are talking about--the economy is the claim--because whether she's drawing a paycheck, she's out there in the world and talks to other women. Whether it's through her church ward or visiting with other chemo patients or volunteering in the inner-city, she's surely meets very diverse and remarkable women.

    As many, at least, as Hilary Rosen meets in her own little world.

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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I have not read this thread and briefly read this "story".

    Several comments ...

    First although I would never vote for Romney ... I like Ann Romney's sense of humor and demeanor and have nothing personal against her. She is beautiful and has a kind energy about her.

    On the strategist ... well my thoughts are this ... she was right and wrong. It was not about "stay at home moms" or that being a stay at home mom is not grueling work.

    I think strategist was trying to say ... that each and every day Ann had a complete and luxurious choice to do whatever she pleased. I am sure if Ann woke up with the flu she could have a driver take her kids to preschool and the chef prepare the meals until she recovered.

    Whenever Ann needed to refresh she could fly on a private jet to a spa with her friends for some R&R or hire a tutor if her child was struggling with a project. Many professional mothers go to work sick and struggle to buy the science project supplies and burn the mid night oil to help a kid with his project while trying to prepare an evening meal.

    I am sure Ann was very hands on and spent much time with her children than most uber wealthy women and is a loving mother. However the majority of women cannot hope of paying college tuition , get a full nights sleep (even when they are sick) and struggle to make ends meet even when working 40+ hours weeks.

    Even with 5 children each and everyday Ann had choices not only to be "stay at home" but how much she wanted to do ... oh my gosh if once per month i could have gotten a full nights sleep and had a chef prepare dinner and simply snuggled in to read stories with my kids I would have felt spolied.

    That was the point the strategist was making.

    Obama is simply trying to make a point there is no war against choice for mothers or that stay at home mothers do not work and trying to diffuse an issue that does not even exist nor does he want to be negative or disrespectful to Ann Romney. I imagine he feels the same I do about her ... respectful and the same obvious thoughts I am writing.

    Of course on days Ann felt like preparing her own food from an unlimited budget in multi million dollar kitchens she probably did ... other days she might have enjoyed discretionary time to herself while the child care managed those details and came home to read a story and dote on her sons.

    Ann seems like a cool person who would not flaunt her wealth or ignore her children ... yet she had all the surrounding hundreds of millions to have whatever support she needed to have those special moments completely stress free of the challenges 99.9% of us mothers face.

    That is cool for Ann and lucky her ... yet I do not feel she is qualified to know the 24/7 challenges of either typical middle class income stay at home moms or mothers who are breadwinners and also devoted to family. I do believe she seems compassionate and is probably thinking to herself " I have no clue how those women do it!"

    Ann seems to be a lovely lady ... yet she has no reality of even the challenges my upper middle class neighbor faces who is morman, husband is a surgeon and has 5 boys let alone the 99.9 % of mothers who are stay at home or work outside the home.

    That said ... Ann seems absolutely lovely and very unassuming and kind for a woman of her vast fortune.
    well, I said that I would never vote for McCain, but when the time came, I did. As an AZ resident, I was well aware of his shortcomings.
    Re the Romneys, people have used words like butler, chef, nanny, etc. but we don't know that they ever employed such.
    Even Leno makes fun of "car elevators" (actually just lifts to store a car above another car) and Leno has a lot of cars in a very large building. This is all fluff and nonsense spewed out with no indication of truth. Rosen shot off her mouth and got called on it, such is the trade she works in....she should have known better. The Obamas did the right thing immediately and refuted her remarks. It is a heat of the battle mistake, and it has gotten a lot of play. I fully expect Romney or one of his supporters to do or say something equally stupid in days to come.
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    Re: Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I have not read this thread and briefly read this "story".

    Several comments ...

    First although I would never vote for Romney ... I like Ann Romney's sense of humor and demeanor and have nothing personal against her. She is beautiful and has a kind energy about her.

    On the strategist ... well my thoughts are this ... she was right and wrong. It was not about "stay at home moms" or that being a stay at home mom is not grueling work.

    I think strategist was trying to say ... that each and every day Ann had a complete and luxurious choice to do whatever she pleased. I am sure if Ann woke up with the flu she could have a driver take her kids to preschool and the chef prepare the meals until she recovered.

    Whenever Ann needed to refresh she could fly on a private jet to a spa with her friends for some R&R or hire a tutor if her child was struggling with a project. Many professional mothers go to work sick and struggle to buy the science project supplies and burn the mid night oil to help a kid with his project while trying to prepare an evening meal.

    I am sure Ann was very hands on and spent much time with her children than most uber wealthy women and is a loving mother. However the majority of women cannot hope of paying college tuition , get a full nights sleep (even when they are sick) and struggle to make ends meet even when working 40+ hours weeks.

    Even with 5 children each and everyday Ann had choices not only to be "stay at home" but how much she wanted to do ... oh my gosh if once per month i could have gotten a full nights sleep and had a chef prepare dinner and simply snuggled in to read stories with my kids I would have felt spolied.

    That was the point the strategist was making.

    Obama is simply trying to make a point there is no war against choice for mothers or that stay at home mothers do not work and trying to diffuse an issue that does not even exist or does he want to be negative to Ann Romney. I imagine he feels the same I do about her ...respectful and the same thoughts I am writing.

    Of course on days Ann felt like preparing her own food from an unlimited budget in multi million dollar kitchens she probably did ... other days she might have enjoyed discretionary time to herself while the child care managed those details and came home to read a story and dote on her sons.

    Ann seems like a cool person who would not flaunt her wealth or ignore her children ... yet she had all the surrounding hundreds of millions to have whatever support she needed to have those special moments completely stress free of the challenges 99.9% of us mothers face.

    That is cool for Ann and lucky her ... yet I do not feel she is qualified to know the 24/7 challenges of either typical middle class income stay at home moms or mothers who are breadwinners and also devoted to family. I do believe she seems compassionate and is probably thinking to herself " I have no clue how those women do it!"

    Ann seems to be a lovely lady ... yet she has no reality of even the challenges my upper middle class neighbor faces who is morman, husband is a surgeon and has 5 boys let alone the 99.9 % of mothers who are stay at home or work outside the home.

    That said ... Ann seems absolutely lovely and very unassuming and kind for a woman of her vast fortune.
    You express some quite condescending ideas in lovely, gracious words. Please, a woman with a "vast fortune" typically behaves a certain way, but Ann Romney has somehow risen about this?

    And can someone understand another's reality without experiencing it? Yes, and emphathize too.

    Does a "vast fortune" distance a woman from external reality? Not necessarily, not if she's in the world.

    Are there some realities that all women share irrespective of their "stations" in life? Yes. We all know those who are less and more fortunate than we are. Some have money concerns, some have kid or parent concerns, and some have shared health concerns.

    Those of us who are mothers have much common ground irrespective of our bank accounts. All the money in the world can't protect you from cancer or multiple sclerosis either. If the Romneys were facing what the Santorums now are--or any other parent whose child has a terminal disease--their reality wouldn't be any different at all.

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