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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

We're back to the Communist thing are we?

Everything old is new again.

Besides, the asshole involved must not have read McCarthy's biography all the way to the end.

Spoiler alert: he was censured by Congress and died within the year of alcohol-related disease.
 
A majority are for them, which is how a representative democracy decides what to do -- by a majority.

Like Obamacare :roll:

Like $15T in debt, and growing. We are running out of OPM.
 

I'd say your argument has a bit of a problem if it comes down to only the Swiss, out of the whole civilized world, being smart enough to figure it out. Your other big problem is that the Swiss have implemented the mother of all insurance mandates to deal with most of their problems:



http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docl...reanddependencyinswitzerlandralphsegalman.pdf[/QUOTE]

**** the Swiss. Let them try running the world's only superpower, with a population 1,000xs larger than theirs, and not every inch of it landscaped and decorated by a fairy godmother.
 
Like Obamacare :roll:

Like $15T in debt, and growing. We are running out of OPM.

As if electing McCain would have prevented this.

*Sarcastic tone*

Besides, the man is o-l-d. What would we have done if he had dropped dead?

Seceded?
 
I'd say your argument has a bit of a problem if it comes down to only the Swiss, out of the whole civilized world, being smart enough to figure it out.

I mentioned the Swiss but did not say they were exclusive. Use quotes.

Your other big problem is that the Swiss have implemented the mother of all insurance mandates to deal with most of their problems:

I don't have any big problems and don't owe any money. The Swiss are doing better than the Obamaified Americans though and that was the point you seem to have missed.



Did you read the document, how it is and was implemented and how it works? Did you also happen to see their employments figures, the national debt, their annual budgets? How does any of that compare with the Obama Administration?
 
As if electing McCain would have prevented this.

*Sarcastic tone*

Besides, the man is o-l-d. What would we have done if he had dropped dead?

Seceded?

This is a thread about West and Commies and Socialist scum. DOH !
 
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**** the Swiss. Let them try running the world's only superpower, with a population 1,000xs larger than theirs, and not every inch of it landscaped and decorated by a fairy godmother.[/QUOTE]

Actually America is, like the USSR, a former Superpower. They frighten no one anymore and none take them seriously. Can't even defeat a ragtag bunch of Afghanistanis.

The last generation of Americans weren't all that interested in winning "the hearts and minds" of the nazis or fascists. Nor did they insist on withdrawal dates before the job was done.

The present generation are a lot of wusses, with the military now being as politically correct as any leftist nerd in the DC bureaucracy.
 
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**** the Swiss. Let them try running the world's only superpower, with a population 1,000xs larger than theirs, and not every inch of it landscaped and decorated by a fairy godmother.[/QUOTE]

Actually America is, like the USSR, a former Superpower. They frighten no one anymore and none take them seriously. Can't even defeat a ragtag bunch of Afghanistanis.

The last generation of Americans weren't all that interested in winning "the hearts and minds" of the nazis or fascists. Nor did they insist on withdrawal dates before the job was done.

The present generation are a lot of wusses, with the military now being as politically correct as any leftist nerd in the DC bureaucracy.[/QUOTE]

Do you think defeating the Afghanistanis is actually our mission or great interest?

I don't.
 
I realize the saber rattlers long for a world menace enemy to justify a huge 'defense' budget. I understand they think a sinister enemy helps pull us together, or at least allows for the stifling of opposition by making opposition an act of sedition, or even treason.

But Afghanistan isn't Europe and al-Queera/Taliwackers are not Nazis and Japanese storm troopers.

So calling this generation wussies and other crap is asinine right wing lunacy.

The greatest Generation was drafted, we don't draft anymore mainly because it is difficult to dress up our conflicts these days as defending American freedom rather than American market share.

Col. West will sink back into the backround noise soon enough, seems a regular parade of odd attacks come out only to sink back under once real news breaks.

Well every where but debate websites it seems...
 
Do you think defeating the Afghanistanis is actually our mission or great interest?

I don't.

It is of great interest to others because you committed to a war and then failed at it. You think that will go unnoticed elsewhere?

Whether you feel it was worthwhile or not is quite beside the point. You enter a war to win it, not just to have a few thousand people killed on either side and then leave with the situation unresolved. That's for third world soccer wars and is not the act of a ""Superpower".

Barack Obama's comment about "leading from behind" coupled with his world apology tours certainly didn't contribute to any thoughts of America as a country of Superpower status either.
 
Grant-
That's a tired long disproved excuse for sacrificing more troops and money to a doomed cause. What will be noticed is we recognize a losing situation and stop the bleeding. What others 'learn' from our withdrawal is no matter the lives spent, money spent, time spent, Afghanistan doesn't like outsiders.

Course if we weren't so arrogant and cocksure we could have read that in most any other nation's history starting with Alexander the Great...
 
I mentioned the Swiss but did not say they were exclusive. Use quotes.



I don't have any big problems and don't owe any money. The Swiss are doing better than the Obamaified Americans though and that was the point you seem to have missed.




Did you read the document, how it is and was implemented and how it works? Did you also happen to see their employments figures, the national debt, their annual budgets? How does any of that compare with the Obama Administration?

Yes, I read it. Essentially what they've done is taken the Obamacare health insurance mandate and blown it up about 1000 times to cover the entire safety net. I didn't realize you were such a huge fan of insurance mandates!
 
Grant-
That's a tired long disproved excuse for sacrificing more troops and money to a doomed cause.

And why was it a "doomed cause"?

What will be noticed is we recognize a losing situation and stop the bleeding.

And everyone else in the world noticed this "losing situation" as well.
What others 'learn' from our withdrawal is no matter the lives spent, money spent, time spent, Afghanistan doesn't like outsiders.

No, what everyone else has learned, since the Korean War in fact, is that Americans cannot win wars. They don't have the stomach for it. They would rather be liked than right.
Course if we weren't so arrogant and cocksure we could have read that in most any other nation's history starting with Alexander the Great...

Americans are decent people and not near as "arrogant and cocksure" as they fancy themselves to be, at least not in recent years. They have become full of self doubt, self recriminations, etc. and will go through similar turmoils other failed powers have undergone. The transition from the British Superpower to the American Superpower was a seamless one. Who's next in line is still an open question, but there will be pretenders, that's certain.
 
In a single word: YES.

To address it further..... so far as I'm concerned ANYONE who promotes social and/or progressive programs/ideals beyond the direct scope of the US Constitution is a Socialist (if they believe in the programs) and a Communist (if they believe the government should run those programs).

Looks like America has alot of socialists running around.
 
A serious claim like that requires evidence. Without proof he may as well say 81 NAZIs are in Congress.
 
Grant-
That's a tired long disproved excuse for sacrificing more troops and money to a doomed cause. What will be noticed is we recognize a losing situation and stop the bleeding. What others 'learn' from our withdrawal is no matter the lives spent, money spent, time spent, Afghanistan doesn't like outsiders.

Once you make the commitment you have to follow through with that commitment. Now any two bit country can attack the United States knowing that after a few soldiers are killed you will lose your will and retreat. FDR or Churchill would never have suggested that they retreat from the Nazis to "stop the bleeding" but that's the new mantra. What governs foreign policy now is "What if someone gets hurt? Or offended?"

Course if we weren't so arrogant and cocksure we could have read that in most any other nation's history starting with Alexander the Great...

You figure Alexander the Great is a good role model for retreat?
 
Yes, I read it. Essentially what they've done is taken the Obamacare health insurance mandate and blown it up about 1000 times to cover the entire safety net. I didn't realize you were such a huge fan of insurance mandates!

Essentially they have done no such thing.

The people were involved every step of the way.
 
Everything old is new again.

Besides, the asshole involved must not have read McCarthy's biography all the way to the end.

Spoiler alert: he was censured by Congress and died within the year of alcohol-related disease.
Do you believe those things make any difference when deciding whether he was right or not?
I am assuming that you are aware that McCarthy was right.
 
Looks like America has alot of socialists running around.
Agreed. We have way more than we need. At a minimum we should keep them out of government and out of education. Maybe we could hold a US Constitution in front of them to observe their reaction. If they call it a living document then cover them with hot tar, plenty of chicken feathers, and boot their butts out of town.
 
You may say that but in fact you don't know if it's true or not. That's certainly not true in this health care debacle and I would suspect many other cases as well. But the government is forcing ALL Americans do get involved n their schemes whether it makes any financial sense or not. Why cant individual Americans make those decisions? Or, at the very least, each State.

The individual mandate of Obamcare is not the same as a safety net, and you might be surprised to know that I do not support such a mandate.

However, the health care reform enacted does not mean you don't have a choice, it just means you HAVE to make a choice, again something I don't support.

Whether I support it or not however, the individual or not it does make financial sense.


Because once they are introduced, and all without the approval of the American people, they are very difficult to get rid of. There will be a lot of disappointed baby boomers, and beyond, who will not have the promised money for their retirement but who have made plans that this would be so. There will be no money for these people.

No, it is unsustainable. There is no way to reform this broken system because, in this system, its all about money, money that is not there. It's all very well to dream of "reform" as though that's a possibility for the scheme to continue but anyone who thinks that, especially with the trillion dollars increase in debt every few months, makes any "reform" impossible

No the reason it's difficult to get rid of is because it works.

Social security brought millions of Elderly Americans out of poverty.

The issue is that when it was enacted, unlike many Extreme right wingers would believe, it was not a conspiracy or plot to bankrupt the government, it was a program that worked in it's time. As was many social safety nets of it's time, as was the same in Western Europe.

Why?

Because the population pyramid was different, no one in their right mind would ever have believed the birth rates would change as dramatically as they have.


There is absolutely no way in the world I would want to be an American right now, for the reasons explained above. You should drop this silliness. These class wars are going to get rougher and I don't need that hassle.

As a former Marxist, if you think what's happening in the US right now is Class Warfare then I'm afraid you don't know what class warfare is.


How do you know it is "unsubstantiated". Historically, its the communists who lie. We all know that, or should. And in fact Ive said more than once that I don;t know if these charges are true or not but they should certainly be investigated.

I'm sorry it's communists who "lie"?

How the hell does that support Mr. Wests claims?

Can you prove them?

Can he?

Can anyone?

How many card carrying members of the communist party do you think there are in Congress?

And if so how many are there?

What are their names?

Do you have an ounce of proof whatsoever.

More silliness. That seems to form the basis of your debate style. If I wanted to be an American tea Partier there is nothing to prevent me.

I certainly could be a Tea Partier, as well as an American, but choose not to be. I'm happy spending most of my life in Canada and central America. Do you know of a good reason, if you think know me, why I would want that to change? I certainly have no interest in you beyond your juvenile posts to which I feel i feel obliged to respond. Why your fixation on my personal life?

Yeah why would you want to change, when you get free health care, a social safety net and a much safer country... :2razz:
 
Essentially they have done no such thing.

The people were involved every step of the way.

WTF does that even mean? The fact is that the Swiss government mandates ALL KINDS of insurance -- not just health insurance (though they absolutely have a health insurance mandate).
 
WTF does that even mean? The fact is that the Swiss government mandates ALL KINDS of insurance -- not just health insurance (though they absolutely have a health insurance mandate).

Investigate and see what it means.
 
Agreed. We have way more than we need. At a minimum we should keep them out of government and out of education. Maybe we could hold a US Constitution in front of them to observe their reaction. If they call it a living document then cover them with hot tar, plenty of chicken feathers, and boot their butts out of town.

It's funny you claim to follow the Constitution and then make a comment like that which if acted upon would be unconsitutional. Irony at it's best.
 
The role of the US military is not part of the question.

In broad terms, the US military is in fact a social program. It's funded by tax payer money,and it serves the overall community (in this case the entire country).

Just as public education is tax payer funded, and it serves the overall community.

I do think it's quite pathetic to equate social programs with communism.
It does explain a lot though if people will openly make that jump.

Not to mention police, fire, libraries, town, state, and national parks, highways, etc.
 
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