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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

j-mac said:
regulation is fine as long as it is not designed to destroy the industry it is being levied on without referendum.

j-mac
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Agreed. Regulation has to be applied with great restraint -- easier said than done.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Yes, provided their is fair representation, taxation is not theft.
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First off, forced taxation is theft by its very definition and that is the system we have here in this country and the only one that can work with your ideas so it can reach its natural and destructive end.

Second, if I'm paying for services for you, that is not representing me, but you. This is all obvious.
 
Henrin said:
First off, forced taxation is theft by its very definition and that is the system we have here in this country and the only one that can work with your ideas so it can reach its natural and destructive end.

Second, if I'm paying for services for you, that is not representing me, but you. This is all obvious.
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A progressive taxation system is a pillar of communism.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
A progressive taxation system is a pillar of communism.

j-mac
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We've had a progressive tax system for the entirety of our history save one year in the late 19th century.
 
j-mac said:
Do you think this is what is being done now? I don't.

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I'm inclined to say no, but there are examples of good regulation. Let's just say good government is a work in progress :)
 
Hare said:
We've had a progressive tax system for the entirety of our history save one year in the late 19th century.
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Not so true...The 16th amendment wasn't ratified until the early 1900s. Which coincides with the start of the progressive movement in this country that has shat all over liberty since.

Before that time, Tarriffs were the main instrument of Federal taxation.

Just so you know.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks
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j-mac
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I'm inclined to say no, but there are examples of good regulation. Let's just say good government is a work in progress :)
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How much damage in this economy will you excuse?

j-mac
 
Tigger said:
Nope. Only reason ANY American ever needs to be outside this country is to undertake war against an enemy of this nation.
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Ruh roh. I was just on a business trip to Europe. What does that make me?
 
spud_meister said:
A strong military is a pillar of Fascism. :shrug:
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LOL - no it's not. Wanting to rejoin and solidify a nation's people by blood, culture, heritage and history is key to fascism in and effort to restore it to it's original 'intended state' - of course: a military seems ot be necessary to do this because in order to do it people must comply, accept it - or be done away with.
 
j-mac said:
A progressive taxation system is a pillar of communism.

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I don't know if that is true or false, but I do know that if they were to depend on a system like a sales tax system or lets say a tariff based system or even a system that was paying directly for the services provided the state would have no blood in the veins to fed their pressures on it. Same is true for our monetary system. If the fed didn't behave in the way that it does the amount of currency just wouldn't be enough to feed their system for any sort of length of time. It simply would not be able to get off the ground without starting at the end point of the system. In order for the system to have any sort of live line at all they needed to change up the system on both fronts to get anything moving.

The problem is that both ideas while they make it move aren't that wonderfully planned out and they always seem to end in the same fashion. This is however usual for socialist and people that think like them. They always come with an idea that can get something moving, but they can never figure out a way to keep it moving. Some of said in the past that it doesn't matter about the future, but as time goes on less and less of those people are willing to say such a thing. The problem is that socialism can only feed and they can't bring themselves to admit that there is no real way to make it last.
 
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81, is that all? I thought there were more. :lol:
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I don't share your belief that taxation is punishment, especially not when those being taxed have a say.
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Just a small sidenote

The core issue here is the liberal mindset that the government can control people's lives and money better and more efficiently than they can. I fundamentally disagree with this philosophy. In case you don't recall, resistance to this ideology is why we fought the Cold War.

Take for instance....The New Deal and the Great Society. Both have been a colossal failures.

It hasn't worked before, so let's try, try, again? Just a little bit higher taxes, just a few more government programs, and a little more wealth redistribution. That's always the answer, more and more government control. Got to keep tuning the system, right? Keep trying it until America's economically irrelevant and we live in a police state..... Because that's the end result of all of this thinking.

This is the core of American liberal *democrat* ideology.
 
ric27 said:
Just a small sidenote

The core issue here is the liberal mindset that the government can control people's lives and money better and more efficiently than they can. I fundamentally disagree with this philosophy. In case you don't recall, resistance to this ideology is why we fought the Cold War.

Take for instance....The New Deal and the Great Society. Both have been a colossal failures.

It hasn't worked before, so let's try, try, again? Just a little bit higher taxes, just a few more government programs, and a little more wealth redistribution. That's always the answer, more and more government control. Got to keep tuning the system, right? Keep trying it until America's economically irrelevant and we live in a police state..... Because that's the end result of all of this thinking.

This is the core of American liberal *democrat* ideology.
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Colossal failures? Really? Is that why a huge majority of Americans strongly support Social Security, Medicare, and other social safety net programs that were stablished in the New Deal and Great Society programs? Is that why we had no serious banking crises until Reagan and Clinton dismantled New Deal bank reforms?
 
AdamT said:
Colossal failures? Really? Is that why a huge majority of Americans strongly support Social Security, Medicare, and other social safety net programs that were stablished in the New Deal and Great Society programs?
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Appeal to popularity fallacy.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - no it's not. Wanting to rejoin and solidify a nation's people by blood, culture, heritage and history is key to fascism in and effort to restore it to it's original 'intended state' - of course: a military seems ot be necessary to do this because in order to do it people must comply, accept it - or be done away with.
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The point remains that just because progressive taxation is a pillar of communism (a debatable point to begin with), doesn't mean that progressive taxation is inherently or uniquely socialist. I think that was the takeaway.
 
Henrin said:
So you deny that a mixed economy is putting socialist ideas in a capitalist society so that resources and services are more available to all? So you deny they are for sharing resources and you ignore many of them are for naturalizing industries such as healthcare, education, and housing?

And like I said the founders were not for a mixed economy . If you think they were, show some evidence. I see nothing here.
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The government regulated business with the very first congress, and government owned resources with the very first congress(hell, before even). That makes a mixed economy. Do please learn history.
 
Redress said:
The government regulated business with the very first congress, and government owned resources with the very first congress(hell, before even). That makes a mixed economy. Do please learn history.
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That is not a mixed economy. Do learn what you are talking about.
 
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