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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

Redress said:
Congressional Progressive Caucus : What is CPC?



Socialist Party USA



Holy ****, they are not the same. Now, since you are going to jump on the economic justice as some sort of code term, let's look at what they say about that:

Congressional Progressive Caucus : The Progressive Promise



Holy ****, they are talking about capitalism! See, this is why you should look things up for yourself, it will save a whole **** ton of embarrassment.
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Yes, we can believe them just like Ubama and congress who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and they haven't done that either.
 
Karl said:
Brainwashed. I blame right wing talk radio :scared:
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There is a study cited in the book Makers and Takers that shows that those people who self identify as having listened to R. Limbaugh were far more politically aware than liberals who merely made the claim that they were. If you want to be actually aware instead of merely claiming awareness, and usually superiority, you ought to listen to talk radio.
 
Henrin said:
Marx wasn't an idiot though. He knew full well he could not defend the nonsense he was going on about and that it was in his interest to always focus on the enemy when questioned about his ideas.
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Isn't that what west is doing? Fearmongering?
 
Misterveritis said:
There is a study cited in the book Makers and Takers that shows that those people who self identify as having listened to R. Limbaugh were far more politically aware than liberals who merely made the claim that they were. If you want to be actually aware instead of merely claiming awareness, and usually superiority, you ought to listen to talk radio.
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Heightened "Awareness" doesn't necessarily mean heightened intelligence or knowledge of any sort, as demonstrated thoroughly in this thread.
 
spud_meister said:
Communism is a classless, stateless society where the means of production are shared equally by all. Find me one government that's ever claimed to be communist. (Here's a hint, "communist government" is an oxymoron.)

For a bit of education, every single one of the government you're thinking of were, and claimed to be, socialist, not communist. I understand this may confuse you, as I know you equate these two political theories, but to an educated mind there's a vast difference. So I suggest you pick up a ****ing dictionary and perhaps browse for a while on Wikipedia so you can figure out history, and the difference between socialism, communism, and modern liberalism.
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Let me tell you about the Easter Bunny.

There is theory and there is implementation. Theory is awesome. Wrong. But awesome.
The implementations are murderous, thuggish, brutal, destructive.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Isn't that what west is doing? Fearmongering?
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He however can and does defend his ideas all the time. Marx never did and knew he couldn't.
 
Hare said:
Heightened "Awareness" doesn't necessarily mean heightened intelligence or knowledge of any sort, as demonstrated thoroughly in this thread.
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I see. Getting higher scores on political tests does not correlate to the kind of knowledge you mean. LOL. What an idiotic statement.
 
Hare said:
Heightened "Awareness" doesn't necessarily mean heightened intelligence or knowledge of any sort, as demonstrated thoroughly in this thread.
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Actually, you did just demonstrate it in your message. Thanks for that.
 
Henrin said:
He however can and does defend his ideas all the time. Marx never did and knew he couldn't.
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But he can't defend the idea that there are 81 communists in Congress, because they are factually not there. I'm sure Marx thought he could defend his ideas just fine. He certainly attempted to do so in writings, etc. His ideas were of their own time, and they've certainly influenced the modern age, but Marxism is not a modern philosophy, and communism is not taking hold in the modern United States, and any assertion that they are is exactly the type of diversionary tactic you're describing.

I'm not a defender of Marx. Marx can defend himself. I'm a defender of my own ideas and perspectives. Modern liberals, likewise, may not share your worldview, but very few follow Marxist ideology.
 
Rapunzel52 said:
Yes, we can believe them just like Ubama and congress who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and they haven't done that either.
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Well to be honest we haven't upheld and defended the Constitution for most of the life of the country. Obama and congress is just more of the same there. You might think that is defense of Obama and the current congress but its meant as an attack on them and most of the leaders of the past.
 
Henrin said:
Well to be honest we haven't upheld and defended the Constitution for most of the life of the country. Obama and congress is just more of the same there. You might think that is defense of Obama and the current congress but its meant as an attack on them and most of the leaders of the past.
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Do you see American history, then, as a long regression? Do you see the rise of American dominance as a threat to the world?
 
Misterveritis said:
Don't be silly. Of course they do. When one's core values follow the template, its a duck.
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Core values as you've prescribed them. Again ... this name-calling is more about your own fears and anger than anything else.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
But he can't defend the idea that there are 81 communists in Congress, because they are factually not there. I'm sure Marx thought he could defend his ideas just fine. He certainly attempted to do so in writings, etc.
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Putting down your ideas on paper is not defending your ideas, but listing them. Its historical fact he never defended his ideas in debate and whenever asked of something would try to redirect focus away from the question and on to what the other side was pushing. Engels practiced the same exact thing btw.

What I describe as his tactic is that you focus on the enemy that exists so people desire what you have to say more. For example, if you say people will be wealthier and someone says, no, that doesn't seem to make sense, your move using this tactic would be well in your system people are dieing in the streets. Its called redirecting focus for a reason because that is exactly what is happening.

His ideas were of their own time, and they've certainly influenced the modern age, but Marxism is not a modern philosophy, and communism is not taking hold in the modern United States, and any assertion that they are is exactly the type of diversionary tactic you're describing.
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His ideas were not new. They were ideas that have existed since the days of the romans.

I'm not a defender of Marx. Marx can defend himself. I'm a defender of my own ideas and perspectives. Modern liberals, likewise, may not share your worldview, but very few follow Marxist ideology.
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Marx can't defend himself and he wasn't dumb enough to think he could either. That is my entire point.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I see. Getting higher scores on political tests does not correlate to the kind of knowledge you mean. LOL. What an idiotic statement.
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That's correct, being aware of political events and happenings doesn't make you intelligent, or well-informed, nor does it consequentially increase one's ability to understand them.
 
Henrin said:
Putting down your ideas on paper is not defending your ideas, but listing them. Its historical fact he never defended his ideas in debate and whenever asked of something would try to redirect focus away from the question and on to what the other side was pushing. Engels practiced the same exact thing btw.

What I describe as his tactic is that you focus on the enemy that exists so people desire what you have to say more. For example, if you say people will be wealthier and someone says, no, that doesn't' seem to make sense, your move using this tactic would be well in your system people are dieing in the streets.



His ideas were not new. They were ideas that have existed since the days of the romans.



Marx can't defend himself and he wasn't dumb enough to think he could either. That is my entire point.
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Where do you guys get this crap? Do you check for Marxists under your bed at night?
 
Our nation was NOT built on 'rugged individualism'. That is 'conservative' revisionist myth. Our first settlers were damn near as collective commune as you can get. The Puritans to the North signed compacts and conventions before landing. Communal divisions of labor and resources, each able bodied man and woman owed labor to the group. The term used up north for city parks, Commons, comes from the communal pastures. They make Home Owners Associations look lax... ;)

Not many men survived long who just jumped off the boat and headed into the wilderness to carve out their bit of heaven.

Group effort and common good, not 'rugged individualism' carved out those first footholds in the 'empty lands' Manifest Destiny would later grant European settlers.

The push west was one of groups and coops, not lone settlers travelling in the vast prairie. Wagon trains and cries of 'circle the wagons' not lone cries in the wilderness ending abruptly.

Even once the threat of uncooperative Natives literally died out, Americans banded together to protect themselves from roaming bands of ruffians, (not even the ruffians were rugged individualists as they preferred gangs to lone wolf)

As societies stabilized men did start to looking out for themselves, safe under many layers of protection and the ability to borrow capital from coops, granges, savings and loan associations.... not rugged so much as entrepreneurial.

The concept of rugged individual makes for great self stroking but we are a group animal that works best when many hands lighten the load... :3oops:

Though I know some like to pose in front of the mirror in their Superman Under Roos, but remember those who do are just standing there in their underwear...
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Frankly, those that advocate class warfare are the worst of communists. Those that advocate such as an expanding welfare class are the worst of communists. Those that advocate no accountability are the worst of Communists. West understands this, and he is surely not alone.

Not said lightly, but the typical Marx-Leninist Communists were far more self respecting than this new American breed of political scum.
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Wait...you are calling republicans communists now? They are the class warfare geeks.
 
spud_meister said:
Why the **** are there so many people in this thread who don't have a ****ing clue what communism is?
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And don't care. You cannot explain it to them, they have their own reality.
 
Rapunzel52 said:
So you're calling me a dolt or insane?
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I copied the exact format aqnd wording for that sentence from the post I quoted. It's called making a point.
 
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