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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

rathi said:
Honestly, what kind of brain damage does it take to believe in this kind of garbage? How can you take some of the most corrupt corporate whores ever born in this country and call them ****ing communists? Do they think that corporations spend 3 billion dollars a year to lobby for marxist ideals? Have they forgotten that congress gave 700 billion dollars to the finance industry during the bailout?
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Combining government and productivity always seems like such a good idea, doesn't it?. Especially when an experienced businessman like Barrack Obama does it.
 
justabubba said:
this statement from post #124:

if he is in a better position to know, tell us what position that would be such that he would be positioned better to know
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He is in a better position to know because he is a member of Congress. We are not.

i know you are without an answer
i just want to futher expose the foolishness found within your incredibly ignorant posts
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Gee, that really stings, Bubba.
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Grant said:
This semantics debate over what socialism, communism, progressive, etc. might be, is of interest only to your good self.
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Grant said:
Do you have a quote for that? Please start using my exact words in your comments, okay?
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Right here. Sorry, busted red handed you are.
 
Oberon said:
Actually they say stuff like that all the time, they just re-word it for variety. I'm not saying it's wrong, not entirely, but they might as well.
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Really? They "say stuff like that all the time"? Oh please show me... :lamo
 
Grant said:
And from that you understood that I didn't care what my words meant? .

Well there is little I can do about that.
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Since you do not care about my pointing out what the words mean and continue to use them to mean things they do not, yes.
 
Grant said:
Combining government and productivity always seems like such a good idea, doesn't it?. Especially when an experienced businessman like Barrack Obama does it.
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Politics is a real business, and he's succeeded very well at it. He reached the top of his field, and most of those who invested in his business are happy they did.

Why do you think he's not a businessman with no experience? Would Goldman Sachs invest $100's of thousands with a businessman with no experience?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Really? They "say stuff like that all the time"? Oh please show me... :lamo
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How many hundreds of thousands of links do you want? How many magazines and book quotes from -pre-innernetz days will be enough? If you promise to read each and every one them, and comment on them, I might do that, but of course you won't and are just talking out of your ass here.
 
Oberon said:
Politics is a real business, and he's succeeded very well at it. He reached the top of his field, and most of those who invested in his business are happy they did.
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Politics was never intended to be a real business until the Obama administration began using taxpayer money to buy automobile companies, investing in varying solar companies and otherwise "stimulating the economy". And actually it seems that a great many of those who invested in him now have buyers remorse.

Why do you think he's not a businessman with no experience? Would Goldman Sachs invest $100's of thousands with a businessman with no experience?
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His resume is rather murky but if you say he was a successful businessman before entering public office he might well have been. You have no reason to lie.
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Dems need to be thankful that West just stopped with "Communist". The liberal lard-ass members he was targeting also make up the the race-pimps, and gubmit teat largesse pimps, and class-warfare wealth redistribution pimps, "its not your fault" pimps, "God damn America" pimps, and other parasite-pimps that are a disgrace to all creatures with a backbone.

Like Gov Christie said earlier in the week. We are becoming a nation of largesse sitting at home wating for the next government check. aka ******s.
 
Redress said:
Since you do not care about my pointing out what the words mean and continue to use them to mean things they do not, yes.
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Redress, please bear with me for a moment.

The issue here is not what leftist beliefs per se might be but that they are of the left and quite possibly of the extreme left. The divisions and beliefs and policies and promises within those left wing parameters are of little consequence to the charges Allen West is making. It is sidestepping the issue.

We can discuss these left wing dreams on another thread some time perhaps and explore which ones might be realistic but right now we should stick with Allen West, communism and whether these charges have any merit to them.
 
Grant said:
Redress, please bear with me for a moment.

The issue here is not what leftist beliefs per se might be but that they are of the left and quite possibly of the extreme left. The divisions and beliefs and policies and promises within those left wing parameters are of little consequence to the charges Allen West is making. It is sidestepping the issue.

We can discuss these left wing dreams on another thread some time perhaps and explore which ones might be realistic but right now we should stick with Allen West, communism and whether these charges have any merit to them.
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but you insist west is in a better position to know, because he is a congressman and thus has insider information not available to us, regarding his allegations that 78-81 demo congressmen are communists
what more do you want to talk about, since you also acknowledge that you take it on faith west knows more, but you have no idea what that might be
 
Grant said:
Redress, please bear with me for a moment.

The issue here is not what leftist beliefs per se might be but that they are of the left and quite possibly of the extreme left. The divisions and beliefs and policies and promises within those left wing parameters are of little consequence to the charges Allen West is making. It is sidestepping the issue.

We can discuss these left wing dreams on another thread some time perhaps and explore which ones might be realistic but right now we should stick with Allen West, communism and whether these charges have any merit to them.
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So we have already established that what West based his comment on was not true. We have already established that they are not Card Carrying Communists, nor even socialists, and we have established that they are not working for socialism nor communism, and yet you still want to argue it is somehow true because apparently you think every one on the elft is a communist/socialist? Do youi have any idea just how stupid you are making this instead of admitting he was an idiot who fell for a hoax?
 
justabubba said:
but you insist west is in a better position to know, because he is a congressman and thus has insider information not available to us, regarding his allegations that 78-81 demo congressmen are communists
what more do you want to talk about, since you also acknowledge that you take it on faith west knows more, but you have no idea what that might be
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I think you got it.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Dems need to be thankful that West just stopped with "Communist". The liberal lard-ass members he was targeting also make up the the race-pimps, and gubmit teat largesse pimps, and class-warfare wealth redistribution pimps, "its not your fault" pimps, "God damn America" pimps, and other parasite-pimps that are a disgrace to all creatures with a backbone.

Like Gov Christie said earlier in the week. We are becoming a nation of largesse sitting at home wating for the next government check. aka ******s.
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Perhaps you could start with Communist, more specifically how you would qualify 81 members of the house as communist? Be specific please.
 
Redress said:
Congressional Progressive Caucus : What is CPC?



Socialist Party USA



Holy ****, they are not the same. Now, since you are going to jump on the economic justice as some sort of code term, let's look at what they say about that:

Congressional Progressive Caucus : The Progressive Promise



Holy ****, they are talking about capitalism! See, this is why you should look things up for yourself, it will save a whole **** ton of embarrassment.
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You are talking about surface beauty, the image they show to the public. I was interested in the agenda items that Progressives, socialists, and the like talk about when they think it is just them in the conversation.

I think the agendas are likely to be very similar.
 
Redress said:
So we have already established that what West based his comment on was not true. We have already established that they are not Card Carrying Communists, nor even socialists, and we have established that they are not working for socialism nor communism, and yet you still want to argue it is somehow true because apparently you think every one on the elft is a communist/socialist? Do youi have any idea just how stupid you are making this instead of admitting he was an idiot who fell for a hoax?
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Frankly, those that advocate class warfare are the worst of communists. Those that advocate such as an expanding welfare class are the worst of communists. Those that advocate no accountability are the worst of Communists. West understands this, and he is surely not alone.

Not said lightly, but the typical Marx-Leninist Communists were far more self respecting than this new American breed of political scum.
 
Hare said:
Perhaps you could start with Communist, more specifically how you would qualify 81 members of the house as communist? Be specific please.
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See my above post. Whatever you want to call this growing cancer on the Republic, fomented by the worst of liberal stupidity, it is the ugliest nature of Communism. It is the lamest aspects of Communism.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Frankly, those that advocate class warfare are the worst of communists. Those that advocate such as an expanding welfare class are the worst of communists. Those that advocate no accountability are the worst of Communists. West understands this, and he is surely not alone.

Not said lightly, but the typical Marx-Leninist Communists were far more self respecting than this new American breed of political scum.
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Why the **** are there so many people in this thread who don't have a ****ing clue what communism is?
 
spud_meister said:
Why the **** are there so many people in this thread who don't have a ****ing clue what communism is?
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Brainwashed. I blame right wing talk radio :scared:
 
Eighty Deuce said:
See my above post. Whatever you want to call this growing cancer on the Republic, fomented by the worst of liberal stupidity, it is the ugliest nature of Communism. It is the lamest aspects of Communism.
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I'll take that as a white flag, seeing as the post you referenced provided zero correlation between the policies of liberals and communists.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Frankly, those that advocate class warfare are the worst of communists. Those that advocate such as an expanding welfare class are the worst of communists. Those that advocate no accountability are the worst of Communists. West understands this, and he is surely not alone.

Not said lightly, but the typical Marx-Leninist Communists were far more self respecting than this new American breed of political scum.
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That's quite right. Communists at one time would call themselves Communists and feel there was a certain cachet to it, as though they were more intellectually sophisticated because of their political leanings. Like the Progressives, etc. Trotskyites would debate with Leninists who would debate with Marxists who would debate with the Marxist/Leninists an so on, like the angels on the head of a pin.

But now that many have become aware of the hells communism created even the most rabid Lenist/Marxist/Trotskyite head case has to back off a little. Mistakes were made, etc. but this time we'll get it right.

It is a stealth war. Everyone knows that the United States cannot be defeated militarily so it will be done by other means, just as the Chinese have done in Tibet and the Muslims are doing in Europe. The United States will be defeated from within and, frankly, I think its too late to stop.

Franklin said you've got a republic - if you can keep it- and i think we are living through the end of it now. Not the very end, that will take some time, but the beginning of the end. I'll be sorry to see it go.
 
Grant said:
That's quite right. Communists at one time would call themselves Communists and feel there was a certain cachet to it, as though they were more intellectually sophisticated because of their political leanings. Like the Progressives, etc. Trotskyites would debate with Leninists who would debate with Marxists who would debate with the Marxist/Leninists an so on, like the angels on the head of a pin.

But now that many have become aware of the hells communism created even the most rabid Lenist/Marxist/Trotskyite head case has to back off a little. Mistakes were made, etc. but this time we'll get it right.

It is a stealth war. Everyone knows that the United States cannot be defeated militarily so it will be done by other means, just as the Chinese have done in Tibet and the Muslims are doing in Europe. The United States will be defeated from within and, frankly, I think its too late to stop.

Franklin said you've got a republic - if you can keep it- and i think we are living through the end of it now. Not the very end, that will take some time, but the beginning of the end. I'll be sorry to see it go.
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You are hilarious. :lol:
 
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