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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    In regards to different countries using different standards to measure infant mortality, to make the point and dismiss it out of hand because it skews the rates, you need to go a step further and show the actual difference it makes in the statistical rates.

    I found such a point in the article linked in post #712.

    When Canada briefly registered an increased number of low weight babies previously omitted from statistical reporting, the infant mortality rose from 6.1 per 1,000 to 6.4 per thousand in just one year.

    PJ Media » The Doctor Is In: Infant Mortality Comparisons a Statistical Miscarriage
    It's just as I suspected, while it does make a statistical difference and could move a country's ranking a few places, in the overall scheme of things, not much difference.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    In regards to different countries using different standards to measure infant mortality, to make the point and dismiss it out of hand because it skews the rates, you need to go a step further and show the actual difference it makes in the statistical rates.

    I found such a point in the article linked in post #712.

    It's just as I suspected, while it does make a statistical difference and could move a country's ranking a few places, in the overall scheme of things, not much difference.
    That was one factor. How many others does Canada do differently?

    Again, the point here is, all nations do not report things exactly the same.

    You also seem to be ignoring the other factors as well.

    We are unique in the world, as far as I am able to determine, in that we report every single birth without question. I would guess this is likely due to the fact that our private institutions have no political agenda requiring a change in the numbers.

    Much the opposite of socialized system which routinely hide and misinform.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So how does this compare to poor infants in the US? Is my question.
    I don't consider the question relevant. Again, we can achieve completely equality only removing all access to health care. China had equality in Health Care in China. There was none. They were paying tribal witch doctors. If you got sick, he's smash some berries on your face, moan some incantations and sent you home... hope you life.

    But! It was equal! The richest guy got the same car as the poorest farm hand. Hurray for equality!

    If that sounds dumb, it's because it is, as all leftism is.

    Now, if you want to me still answer your question, I know it's better here, than there. Why? Because you people can't help your own, rich or poor. Thousands come to the US to get care, because their socialized hospitals can't help them.

    When Canada can first take care of their own people, so they don't have to come to the US for care.... THEN we'll discuss the quality of the treatment.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Keeping a private health system, with private insurance, with the only real change is mandated private insurance purchase.....is socialism? Weird.

    Apparently you purchased and downloaded the Lancet report, analyzed the report/data.....and came to a completely different result than the experts. Interesting....care to share your results?
    As for the insurance, yes. You can have a privately owned hospital, and have privately owned insurance, and still have a socialized system. Some claim that the government must legally own something, in order for it to be "socialized". This is not true. You merely need to control it.

    If I give you $10, and then tell you where you can't spend it, and where you must spend, do you really own the $10? Or am I owning it still, through controlling you?

    Hitler said, he didn't need your cow or your factory, if he owned you. Hitler was right.

    So, yes it's private insurance, dictated by the Federal government. Yes it's a private hospital, regulated in every aspect of it's operation.

    As for the Lancet report, I've read it already. Nothing really new there. We're better off than nearly anywhere else in the world.

    The only question was the difference between whites and blacks. It didn't come to a conclusion about that. A theory is not a conclusion.

    The fact is, there are other factors that play a part in cancer than money.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Which changes what exactly? Yes, that's pretty funny, posting something that doesn't disprove a single point I've made, but makes you look dumb for thinking you accomplished something. I am amused

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Fixed.

    The question is.....does that change in any significant amount the infant mortality rates for either country?

    I would venture......NOT.
    Let's pretend you are Canada, and I'm the US.

    If you have to send your babies to me, and I save them from dying....

    I really couldn't care less what your infant mortality rates are.

    Sorry, but first, fix your system to the point you don't have to ship people to other countries, because I can clean up our infant mortality rates real fast. We'll just send all our high-risk pregnancies to Canada, and let them die. Then we can prance around like leftist idiots and celebrate our great infant mortality rates! Yay us!

    You really don't get how moronic that is? You can't take care of the people you have, (even though you have a fraction of the population of the US), and yet you want us to praise your peachy statistics..... while you can't help your people... but you have a good number..... minus those sent out of the country.... but they don't matter, only the good numbers matter.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Which changes what exactly? Yes, that's pretty funny, posting something that doesn't disprove a single point I've made, but makes you look dumb for thinking you accomplished something. I am amused
    Which proves that even a case-hardened wingnut like Palin had to admit that the traffic goes both ways. Some Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care for one reason or another, and some Americans go to Canada for health care for one reason or another. The bottom line is that Canadian health care is quite good, everyone is covered, and they pay far less per capita than we do.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    That was one factor. How many others does Canada do differently?

    Again, the point here is, all nations do not report things exactly the same.

    You also seem to be ignoring the other factors as well.

    We are unique in the world, as far as I am able to determine, in that we report every single birth without question. I would guess this is likely due to the fact that our private institutions have no political agenda requiring a change in the numbers.

    Much the opposite of socialized system which routinely hide and misinform.
    Cons point out that not everyone measures infant mortality the same way so we should just discard the whole infant mortality rates. To make their point legitimate, they (the researchers who do this sort of thing, not us, as we don't have access to all the information) should show how much it affects the statistics.

    How many are born underweight or under a certain length each year? Is it enough to alter the rate by a few tenths or several full percentage points? To summarily dismiss the entire report because of the different methods used without further justification isn't quite enough.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Which proves that even a case-hardened wingnut like Palin had to admit that the traffic goes both ways. Some Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care for one reason or another, and some Americans go to Canada for health care for one reason or another. The bottom line is that Canadian health care is quite good, everyone is covered, and they pay far less per capita than we do.
    Medical tourism is booming and not just to Mexico and Canada, but around the world, India, Singapore, Thailand, etc.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Which proves that even a case-hardened wingnut like Palin had to admit that the traffic goes both ways. Some Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care for one reason or another, and some Americans go to Canada for health care for one reason or another. The bottom line is that Canadian health care is quite good, everyone is covered, and they pay far less per capita than we do.
    Which would make a great point if all reasons were equal, and if anyone ever denied that people leave the US to get care.

    But neither are true.

    People leave the US for care all the time... to save money. I don't have a problem with that. If you wish to take a chance on going to India to get a service for $5,000 less, that's just fine. It's part of the capitalist system if you think about it. That's free-market working. People leaving the US for care, for that reason, is no more important than me driving past 3 gas stations, to get to the one for 10˘ less a gallon.

    That's not a big deal.

    What is a big deal, is when you MUST leave your country, and MUST get care somewhere else, because your country can't help you. That's a system failure. When the system literally can't help you, to the point you have no other option but to leave, that's a bad system.

    My son will die if he comes home from US - Local & National, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
    This lady from the UK, had a child who was born with a rare illness. The doctors in the UK told her to go home and enjoy the short time she would have with him.

    She determined to come to a capitalist pay-for-service system, which ironically has a profit motive to provide more services...... and her child is still alive and recovering.
    I have not found an update to whether or not they have returned yet.

    But the point is this: I don't know or really care what Palin's reason was for going to a Canadian hospital, but I'm going to take a wild stab that it wasn't because she had been to every hospital in Alaska, and they told her to go home and die, like they do in the UK. It likely wasn't because they searched the entire state and couldn't find an open bed, like they do in Canadian provinces.

    If you do, then cite your evidence, because I can sure site mine.

    As for your hyperbole: Good care is a relative term. By any valid measurement US care is better. That doesn't mean Canadian care is bad. But ours is still better. Everyone being covered, is still a meaningless statement, if not everyone can get treatment. And we know not everyone can get treatment, because they have to come here to the US to save their lives. So saying they cover everyone, and people still die, is a bit pointless.

    Again, I don't care how much we spend on care. I will choose expensive care that heals people, over cheap care that kills, any day. And Canadians that are forced into those situations, agree. That's why they come here to PAY for care, when they supposedly get it free. Apparently cost because a secondary factor when you are dying. Shocking I know.

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