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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Ah, a Discovery Institute writer....OK!

    All of the Nordic countries, Canada and the US use the same WHO standards, so it still doesn't change our really bad infant mortality rate.

    The major reason we have such a bad rate is again due to access to prenatal care for poor mothers.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You've presented no evidence whatsoever that other countries use a different standard for infant mortality. The standard is not different in the many many studies that have looked at the problem.
    This is so widely known to everyone who bothers to look it up, I didn't think people here would be so ignorant.
    Very well
    PJ Media The Doctor Is In: Infant Mortality Comparisons a Statistical Miscarriage
    Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.
    That's just one quote. Any questions?

    If you prefer, you could look at life expectancy by country, where the US ranks 38th ... one place behind ... CUBA.
    Shooter Asks To Speak With Victim Before Homicide, CPD Says | NBC 4i
    So a guy walks up to a house, knocks on the door, asks to see someone, and then shoots them dead.

    In your world, that's a health care problem? The Hospital should have done something, right?

    Child's death on freeway unites mourners, supporters - Los Angeles Times
    Two cars collide in an accident, and a little girl was killed.

    In your world, that's a health care problem? The doctors should have been at the road, waving people down to prevent the accident, right?

    Then you have cultural differences. We have people that weight 400 lbs, and still shove more food in their face. We have people who smoke knowing it could give them cancer. We have people who drink themselves to death. Further, there are genetic differences. Women in Japan have a fraction of the breast cancer incidence rates we do.

    All of that, to say this: If there is any statistical measurement that has no bearing at all on health care, it's life expectation and mortality rates.
    There are simply too many factors that the Heath Care system has absolutely no baring on whatsoever.

    You have some dumb women, hooked on crack, gives birth 5 months early, and of course the child dies, and the leftist run around "see! our infant mortality is higher!". Yeah, and as soon as we have doctor squads running around strapping down women, to prevent them from doing things to ruin their baby, we'll have that problem nipped in the bud.

    Another way to look at it, is this: If we changed the health care system, would any of those factors change? Oh gee, I can't shoot this guy, because we have socialized health care!. Wait wait! I can't eat 5 triple McFatty Burgers a day, because we have socialized health care! Hold on, I can't accidentally hit that other car, because government is ruining health care now!

    If that sounds completely moronic and idiotic, it's because it is.
    Yet, when a leftist cites life expectancy rates and mortality rates, that is exactly what you are saying.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah, a Discovery Institute writer....OK!

    All of the Nordic countries, Canada and the US use the same WHO standards, so it still doesn't change our really bad infant mortality rate.

    The major reason we have such a bad rate is again due to access to prenatal care for poor mothers.
    Which explains why women from Canada come to the US to get prenatal care.

    A problem in Canada's hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.

    Carri Ash of Chilliwack, B.C. was sent to the U.S. to have her baby after her water broke on Sunday, ten weeks ahead of schedule.

    "And they came in and said 'you're going to Seattle,'" she said.

    Ash's (Canadian) hospital couldn't handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn't have a neo-natal bed.
    Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | News | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

    Yeah, so where's your "access to prenatal care" now leftist?

    Oh and about that poor mothers crap?
    Poor infants fare worse despite Canada health care | Reuters
    Even with Canada's system of universal health care, chronically ill babies from poorer families tend to do worse, a new study finds.
    Really? You mean socialism doesn't result in the equality utopia it promises? AND woman have to come to the US to save their babies?

    Sorry, Fail.

    In fact, we're making Canada look good. If we were not here, to save those Canadian babies, that Canada can not help, they would simply die up there. So we're saving their kids, which makes their number look better.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Oh and about that poor mothers crap?
    Poor infants fare worse despite Canada health care | Reuters


    Really? You mean socialism doesn't result in the equality utopia it promises? AND woman have to come to the US to save their babies?

    Sorry, Fail.

    In fact, we're making Canada look good. If we were not here, to save those Canadian babies, that Canada can not help, they would simply die up there. So we're saving their kids, which makes their number look better.

    So how does this compare to poor infants in the US? Is my question.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Which explains why women from Canada come to the US to get prenatal care.


    Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | News | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

    Yeah, so where's your "access to prenatal care" now leftist?

    Oh and about that poor mothers crap?
    Poor infants fare worse despite Canada health care | Reuters


    Really? You mean socialism doesn't result in the equality utopia it promises? AND woman have to come to the US to save their babies?

    Sorry, Fail.

    In fact, we're making Canada look good. If we were not here, to save those Canadian babies, that Canada can not help, they would simply die up there. So we're saving their kids, which makes their number look better.
    This is pretty damned funny.

    Health Beat: Sarah Palin Admits Going to Canada for Health Care-- Why?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So how does this compare to poor infants in the US? Is my question.
    It compares like this:

    Infant mortality rates, which refl ect the health of the mother and her access to prenatal and postnatal care, are considered one of the most reliable measures of the general health of a population. Today, U.S. government statistics rank Canada's infant mortality rate of 4.7 per thousand 23rd out of 225 countries, in the company of the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Australia, and Denmark. The U.S. is 43rd--in the company of Croatia and Lithuania, below Taiwan and Cuba.

    All the countries surrounding Canada or above it in the rankings have tax-supported health care systems. The countries surrounding the United States and below have mixed systems or are, in general, extremely poor in comparison to the United States and the other G8 industrial powerhouses.

    There are no major industrialized countries near the United States in the rankings. The closest is Italy, at 5.83 infants dying per thousand, but it is still ranked five places higher.7

    In the United States, infant mortality rates are 7.1 per 1,000, the highest in the industrialized world -- much higher than some of the poorer states in India, for example, which have public health systems in place, at least for mothers and infants. Among the inner-city poor in the United States, more than 8 percent of mothers receive no prenatal care at all before giving birth.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Hard to say. After Hoover, there were a few bad leaders, and then they had a massive clearing of the house, which included known spies. Who knows. After the crash in 1990, the Russian government couldn't really afford to carry out the types of covert ops they had before. That last spy ring, was arguably the most pathetic yet. There was more interest in that one girls facebook page, than what information they got, assuming that got anything.

    Russia just doesn't have the wide spread left-tard support they had back in the day. Something about ruining your country until people were eating each other for lack of food, seems to sour people on your ideology.
    If the Leftists lean of this they'll certainly support the SVR.

    Michelle Van Cleave: Russian Spies Haven't Gone Away - WSJ.com

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Which explains why "SOME" women from Canada come to the US to get prenatal care.
    Fixed.

    The question is.....does that change in any significant amount the infant mortality rates for either country?

    I would venture......NOT.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Way to cherry pick the data. Is there a reason you didn't look at, say, infant mortality ... where the US ranks 34th -- one place behind Cuba?

    List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It's amazing that Leftists still believe the propaganda Communist dictators put out there.

    They have learned nothing. It's willful ignorance and they'll continue to defend it.

    A Leftist will often believe a communist country is superior to their own, and readily explain why their own country should therefore be betrayed.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    No inflated ego here, West just doesn't strike me as terribly knowledgeable. Being elected as a representative doesn't necessarily mean you're overly qualified or intelligent just take a quick glance at the folks who currently comprise congress.

    In order to know where you are truly coming from I would need to know the answers to these questions...

    1. Are you from West's district?

    2. Did you vote for him in election?

    3. in terms of congressional and senate candidates in the past what is your record? Demo's or Republicans?

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