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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Meh....good if you are white and have access to quality care...not so good if you are poor, black with little access to quality care......which I think is the point, right?



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    Global variation in cancer survival was very wide. 5-year relative survival for breast, colorectal, and prostate cancer was generally higher in North America, Australia, Japan, and northern, western, and southern Europe, and lower in Algeria, Brazil, and eastern Europe. CONCORD has provided the first opportunity to estimate cancer survival in 11 states in USA covered by the National Program of Cancer Registries (NPCR), and the study covers 42% of the US population, four-fold more than previously available. Cancer survival in black men and women was systematically and substantially lower than in white men and women in all 16 states and six metropolitan areas included. Relative survival for all ethnicities combined was 2—4% lower in states covered by NPCR than in areas covered by the Surveillance Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) Program. Age-standardised relative survival by use of the appropriate race-specific and state-specific life tables was up to 2% lower for breast cancer and up to 5% lower for prostate cancer than with the census-derived national life tables used by the SEER Program. These differences in population coverage and analytical method have both contributed to the survival deficit noted between Europe and the USA, from which only SEER data have been available until now.

    Cancer survival in five continents: a worldwide population-based study (CONCORD) : The Lancet Oncology
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    First Worldwide Analysis Of Cancer Survival Finds Wide Variation Between Countries

    ScienceDaily (July 16, 2008) — Cancer survival varies widely between countries according to a worldwide study. More than 100 investigators contributed to the study.

    And while the USA has the highest 5-year survival rate for prostate cancer than any of the 31 countries studied, cancer survival in black men and women is systematically and substantially lower than in white men and women.

    Until now, direct comparisons of cancer patient survival between rich and poor countries have not generally been available. The CONCORD study is, to the authors' knowledge, the first worldwide analysis of cancer survival, with standard quality-control procedures and identical analytic methods for all datasets. It provides directly comparable data on 1.9 million adult cancer patients (aged between 15 and 99) from 101 cancer registries in 31 countries on 5 continents. The study covers cancers of the breast (women), colon, rectum and prostate, which comprise a majority of all newly diagnosed cancers in adults. The study includes analyses of cancer survival in 16 states and 6 metropolitan areas in the USA, covering 42% of the population -- four times as many as in previous studies.

    Five-year relative survival for breast cancer (women) ranged from 80% or higher in North America, Sweden, Japan, Finland and Australia to less than 60% in Brazil and Slovakia, and below 40% in Algeria. Survival for white women in the USA (84.7%) was 14% higher than for black women (70.9%).

    For colorectal cancer, five-year survival was higher in North America, Japan, Australia and some western European countries and lower in Algeria, Brazil and in eastern European countries. Survival for white patients in the USA was 10% higher than for black patients (60% compared with 50%).

    For prostate cancer, 5-year survival was higher in the USA (92%) than in all 30 of the other participating countries. However, there was a 7% difference in survival between black and white men (92% compared with 85.8%).

    Michel P Coleman, Professor of Epidemiology and Vital Statistics at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, and lead author of the study, comments: 'The differences in cancer survival between countries and between black and white men and women in the USA are large and consistent across geographic areas. Most of the wide variation in survival is likely to be due to differences in access to diagnostic and treatment services, and factors such as tumour biology, state at diagnosis or compliance with treatment may also be significant.

    'Population-based cancer registries are increasingly important in monitoring cancer control efforts, and in evaluating cancer survival. We hope that the information provided here will facilitate better comparison between rich and poor countries, and eventually enable joint evaluation of international trends in cancer incidence, survival and mortality'.First Worldwide Analysis Of Cancer Survival Finds Wide Variation Between Countries
    So your plan is to adopt a socialized system, that your own post admits has a lower survival rate, for the sake of equality?

    Is it possible the difference could be attributed to life style, or genetic between the ethnic groups? I think it is. What do you think?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    No the reason I didn't look at infant mortality is because most countries don't use the same standard we do.

    In cuba, a doctor could be punished, even lose his job for reporting an infant mortality, thus he simply doesn't report it.

    In England and Canada, a baby that is too young, is simply left to die, and isn't counted.

    Premature baby 'left to die' by doctors after mother gives birth just two days before 22-week care limit | Mail Online


    Why? Because if they did, and it didn't live, it would be counted as an infant mortality. This way, it isn't counted.

    Our system tries to save every baby, no matter how young, and if it dies, it's counted. Almost no other nation does that.

    Further, we save babies from Canada routinely.
    Canada's Expectant Moms Heading to U.S. to Deliver | Fox News

    So, we even make Canada look good. These kids would die if they were left in Canada. But because they can come here and get good care, they live. Our system, makes their system, look good.

    And the evidence goes on and on. Cherry pick whatever. You just can't handle the truth.
    You've presented no evidence whatsoever that other countries use a different standard for infant mortality. The standard is not different in the many many studies that have looked at the problem.

    If you prefer, you could look at life expectancy by country, where the US ranks 38th ... one place behind ... CUBA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

    Are you going to pretend now that there are different standards for death?
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You've presented no evidence whatsoever that other countries use a different standard for infant mortality. The standard is not different in the many many studies that have looked at the problem. If you prefer, you could look at life expectancy by country, where the US ranks 38th ... one place behind ... CUBA. List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAre you going to pretend now that there are different standards for death?
    The UN and WHO within the UN are a joke!
    ...Seven of the places ranking ahead of the U.S. in 2004 had a population under 50,000, including Montserrat and San Marino, while another 10 had populations under 500,000, including the U.S. Virgin Islands and Andorra. (Andorra topped the ranking with a life expectancy of 83.5 years.) Such places have so few deaths each year that their mortality numbers are subject to big swings. Meanwhile, 18 of the 41 places ranked ahead of the U.S. by just a year or less, a small difference.Comparing the latest data with two decades ago also obscures that the U.S.’s ranking hasn’t budged much in recent years — it was 41st in 1997, by the AP’s ranking method. (And keep in mind, as I wrote in a recent post, that life expectancy is more complicated than the popular perception that it predicts how long someone born today is likely to survive.)snipThe Census’s own data included far fewer countries in the 1980s (just 133 in 1984, compared with 222 in 2005), which helps account for the U.S.’s big decline from 11th in that decade. (This caveat wasn’t mentioned until the 18th paragraph of the AP story).snipThere are other differences between the data sets. Each agency has its own statistical models and supplements data supplied by countries, where available, with its own considered judgment. This can result in some discrepancies — not so much for the U.S. and other large countries with reliable health statistics, but for some nations alongside the big ones near the top of the rankings. The WHO, for instance, shows a shorter life expectancy for Albania (by about five years) and Andorra (three years), and a longer one for Monaco (two years) than does the Census Bureau.“We wouldn’t pay too much attention to [life-expectancy data from] Andorra and Monaco,” Mie Inoue, a Geneva-based WHO statistician involved in producing the agency’s life expectancy numbers, told me. “There are very few deaths, so there are lots of fluctuations, so the result wouldn’t be very reliable.” Added Thomas McDevitt, chief of the population studies branch within the Census Bureau’s population division, “For small areas, constructing life tables is a challenge.”The Trouble With Ranking Life-Expectancy Numbers - The Numbers Guy - WSJ
    The simple fact here is that the UN numbers on anything have to be questioned with a very skeptical eye. They are skewed numbers, and related to agendas within the body that have something to gain from ranking countries like the US lower than say Monaco.j-mac
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Mr. West's allegation reveals only his own historical illiteracy. Communists held certain beliefs that defined their political movement. Communists are not found in the U.S. House of Representatives. The Congress would do better with people who are not as ignorant of history or the facts as Mr. West, regardless of their party affiliation.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Mr. West's allegation reveals only his own historical illiteracy. Communists held certain beliefs that defined their political movement. Communists are not found in the U.S. House of Representatives. The Congress would do better with people who are not as ignorant of history or the facts as Mr. West, regardless of their party affiliation.

    Yes, you obviously know so much more than Congressman West, which is so totally demonstrated by the achievements in your life being so vast as to have you on a nameless, faceless message board, bitching and moaning about someone that actually serves their country, and makes the news....Yeah, you're right.....


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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, you obviously know so much more than Congressman West, which is so totally demonstrated by the achievements in your life being so vast as to have you on a nameless, faceless message board, bitching and moaning about someone that actually serves their country, and makes the news....Yeah, you're right.....

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    Military experience doesn't necessarily translate to knowledge regarding other subjects, as evidenced by a quick glance at some of West's previous statements.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Military experience doesn't necessarily translate to knowledge regarding other subjects, as evidenced by a quick glance at some of West's previous statements.

    Well, if you are so much more qualified then why is it that you didn't run against him. With your own inflated ego, and self proclaimed import, surely you could have won like child's play.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if you are so much more qualified then why is it that you didn't run against him. With your own inflated ego, and self proclaimed import, surely you could have won like child's play.

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    No inflated ego here, West just doesn't strike me as terribly knowledgeable. Being elected as a representative doesn't necessarily mean you're overly qualified or intelligent just take a quick glance at the folks who currently comprise congress.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    So your plan is to adopt a socialized system, that your own post admits has a lower survival rate, for the sake of equality?
    Keeping a private health system, with private insurance, with the only real change is mandated private insurance purchase.....is socialism? Weird.

    Is it possible the difference could be attributed to life style, or genetic between the ethnic groups? I think it is. What do you think?
    Apparently you purchased and downloaded the Lancet report, analyzed the report/data.....and came to a completely different result than the experts. Interesting....care to share your results?
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You've presented no evidence whatsoever that other countries use a different standard for infant mortality. The standard is not different in the many many studies that have looked at the problem.

    If you prefer, you could look at life expectancy by country, where the US ranks 38th ... one place behind ... CUBA.

    List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Are you going to pretend now that there are different standards for death?

    Infant Mortality Myths and Mantras
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