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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Dorothy, Bill, Barkevious....

    Did you have any particular names in mind?
    Yes, that of the revisionist historian you mentioned as well as the quote that he was "a great guy".

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, that of the revisionist historian you mentioned as well as the quote that he was "a great guy".
    Here you go.

    After reviewing evidence from Venona and other sources, historian John Earl Haynes concluded that, of 159 people identified on lists used or referenced by McCarthy, evidence was substantial that nine had aided Soviet espionage efforts. He suggested that a majority of those on the lists could legitimately have been considered security risks, but that a substantial minority could not.[117]

    These viewpoints are considered revisionist by many scholars.[118] Challenging efforts aimed at the "rehabilitation" of McCarthy, Haynes argues that McCarthy's attempts to "make anti-communism a partisan weapon" actually "threatened [the post-War] anti-Communist consensus", thereby ultimately harming anti-Communist efforts more than helping.[119] William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

    The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions.
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    Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And how many times have liberals supported Communist regimes and rubbished their own president, Ronald "Raygun" for example.

    And how many liberals believe Fidel Castro is a great leader, or that the Cuban people have terrific health care?

    And how many liberals were carrying Chairman Mao's little Red Book around with them, and rubbishing their president, while tens of millions of Chinese were being systematically murdered during the Great Leap Forward.

    How many liberals believe Gorbachev should get credit for ending the Cold War?

    The willful blindness and ignorance of liberals is there for all to see, even on this thread.

    As mentioned earlier liberals will always rubbish their fellow Americans first, such as Joe McCarthy this time, for pointing out the left's crimes because their politics always comes first, even when a foreign country is involved.

    But perhaps the worst thing about leftists is that despite all the history, all the evidence, all the personal witnesses to the horrors the left has created, they remain abysmally ignorant and forever in denial. They are among the worst of the worst and deserve no respect from anyone.
    Honestly, I can't even tell if you're being seriousness. The ridiculousness of what you're saying is evident to me, and I assume it's evident to most rational people.

    As far as Democrats killing people goes, the answer is, again, evident. American liberals are not responsible for atrocities committed by foreign powers, and vague ideological similarities don't make it so. If we're going to expand the definition of "communism" to include all "leftists," then "communism" necessarily will be as moderate and tolerant as its most moderate and tolerant practitioners.

    It doesn't work the other way around. People don't change to fit your preconceived definition of words. So whether you or West or anyone else calls Democrats or liberal posters or Ronald McDonald "communist" doesn't magically make them evil, but that is clearly what is intended by the application.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Here you go.
    So. to be clear, is it your contention that John Earl Haynes is the "revisionist" and that he actually said Senator McCarthy was "a great guy"? I saw no mention of that.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So. to be clear, is it your contention that John Earl Haynes is the "revisionist" and that he actually said Senator McCarthy was "a great guy"? I saw no mention of that.
    Don't you get tired of this game? You want to demand absolute pragmatism and precise language from your debate opponent, while you gleefully wander off on unsubstantiated flights of fancy. I don't know if you're trolling or what, but it's hard to take you seriously.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Facts, 360 B.C.-A.D. 2012 - chicagotribune.com


    Though few expected Facts to pull out of its years-long downward spiral, the official cause of death was from injuries suffered last week when Florida Republican Rep. Allen West steadfastly declared that as many as 81 of his fellow members of theU.S. House of Representatives are communists.
    Facts is survived by two brothers, Rumor and Innuendo, and a sister, Emphatic
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    You want to demand absolute pragmatism and precise language from your debate opponent
    Yes, I do.

    while you gleefully wander off on unsubstantiated flights of fancy. I don't know if you're trolling or what, but it's hard to take you seriously.
    If i do as you claim then call me on it and I'll give you what I have. But as it is you have nothing and are only making the same false claims as your ally. This is yet another example of leftist deflection.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So. to be clear, is it your contention that John Earl Haynes is the "revisionist" and that he actually said Senator McCarthy was "a great guy"? I saw no mention of that.
    Don't be an idiot -- you know what I meant.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    As far as Democrats killing people goes, the answer is, again, evident. American liberals are not responsible for atrocities committed by foreign powers,
    Nowhere, absolutely nowhere, did i make the claim that liberals are responsible for atrocities committed by foreign powers. This is why liberals should always use the quote system. It was probably designed with them in mind.
    and vague ideological similarities don't make it so.
    Often, as we have seen, these ideological similarities are not vague at all. I've pointed out several areas where they are very similar and this has never been denied.
    If we're going to expand the definition of "communism" to include all "leftists," then "communism" necessarily will be as moderate and tolerant as its most moderate and tolerant practitioners.
    Of course I never said I wanted the definition of "communism" to include all "leftists either. If you are going to do it though it's fine with me. Please use quotes.

    It doesn't work the other way around. People don't change to fit your preconceived definition of words. So whether you or West or anyone else calls Democrats or liberal posters or Ronald McDonald "communist" doesn't magically make them evil, but that is clearly what is intended by the application.
    Please use quotes, okay?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Don't be an idiot -- you know what I meant.
    I'm not about to start guessing at what a leftist means.

    Someone on this thread said words have meanings. Why not say exactly what you mean without the usual leftist hyperbole and, as well, you should also use the quote system.

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