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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    As usual your analysis is flawless.
    Imagine that! We agree. In the future a simple "Like" will do. No need to gush.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One way to know is polls. Another way is that Americans keep electing polticians who support safety net programs -- and punish those who don't.
    Yes, that's true in many cases. There are not-too-bright Americans, as people everywhere, who will elect sleazy politicians who'll make promises they and the country cannot afford, or maintain over the long term. But they make them, and enact them, anyway.

    It takes a more sophisticated people, like the Swiss perhaps, who can look at these programs and judge whether their country can afford them or not. This was also true of the United States when they had more State rights. But right now these left wing rubes. encouraged by Washington, really feel they can get something for nothing, it's all free, and 'the rich', or someone else somewhere, will pay for it.

    Representative democracy works fine if you have an educated and moderately sophisticated electorate who understand the basics of how an economy works, but as we can see by the OWS people, and their supporters, that they are all rather clueless.

    Nothing else matters to a many politicians more than getting elected and they will make enemies of others in their society, make promises they can't possibly keep, lie, distort and do whatever it takes to achieve their goals. And they will pick up many followers along if the can sufficiently manage to fake sincerity. BHO is among the best at that.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    We're back to the Communist thing are we?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, that's true in many cases. There are not-too-bright Americans, as people everywhere, who will elect sleazy politicians who'll make promises they and the country cannot afford, or maintain over the long term. But they make them, and enact them, anyway.

    It takes a more sophisticated people, like the Swiss perhaps, who can look at these programs and judge whether their country can afford them or not. This was also true of the United States when they had more State rights. But right now these left wing rubes. encouraged by Washington, really feel they can get something for nothing, it's all free, and 'the rich', or someone else somewhere, will pay for it.

    Representative democracy works fine if you have an educated and moderately sophisticated electorate who understand the basics of how an economy works, but as we can see by the OWS people, and their supporters, that they are all rather clueless.

    Nothing else matters to a many politicians more than getting elected and they will make enemies of others in their society, make promises they can't possibly keep, lie, distort and do whatever it takes to achieve their goals. And they will pick up many followers along if the can sufficiently manage to fake sincerity. BHO is among the best at that.






    Of course health care reform has many components and it's not the case that everyone who opposes the whole package opposes every part of it. In fact polls show that when you break it down into component parts, most Americans support most of the law.
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    I'd say your argument has a bit of a problem if it comes down to only the Swiss, out of the whole civilized world, being smart enough to figure it out. Your other big problem is that the Swiss have implemented the mother of all insurance mandates to deal with most of their problems:

    The Swiss have established a far-ranging and expanding program
    of compulsory social insurance that imposes on each worker and his
    employer a compulsory shared-risk program to provide for both the
    expected and unexpected financial needs of most other workers.
    This primarily self-sustained (with a minor government contribution)
    insurance program provides the worker with old-age retirement,
    disability and sickness insurance, survivors' insurance, accident
    insurance, and unemployment compensation.
    http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docli...phsegalman.pdf
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. Two different things totally. One thing you must admit that in this time of Obama, things have definitely swung hard to the left.

    j-mac
    O REALLY?

    Paid any ****ing attention to what's become of our environmental protection laws under Obama?

    Obama is no more "liberal" than Dubba was.

    It's a case of SSDD, and it's going to remain SSDD for 4 more years.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We're back to the Communist thing are we?
    Everything old is new again.

    Besides, the asshole involved must not have read McCarthy's biography all the way to the end.

    Spoiler alert: he was censured by Congress and died within the year of alcohol-related disease.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A majority are for them, which is how a representative democracy decides what to do -- by a majority.
    Like Obamacare

    Like $15T in debt, and growing. We are running out of OPM.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    I'd say your argument has a bit of a problem if it comes down to only the Swiss, out of the whole civilized world, being smart enough to figure it out. Your other big problem is that the Swiss have implemented the mother of all insurance mandates to deal with most of their problems:



    http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docli...phsegalman.pdf[/QUOTE]

    **** the Swiss. Let them try running the world's only superpower, with a population 1,000xs larger than theirs, and not every inch of it landscaped and decorated by a fairy godmother.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Like Obamacare

    Like $15T in debt, and growing. We are running out of OPM.
    As if electing McCain would have prevented this.

    *Sarcastic tone*

    Besides, the man is o-l-d. What would we have done if he had dropped dead?

    Seceded?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    I'd say your argument has a bit of a problem if it comes down to only the Swiss, out of the whole civilized world, being smart enough to figure it out.
    I mentioned the Swiss but did not say they were exclusive. Use quotes.

    Your other big problem is that the Swiss have implemented the mother of all insurance mandates to deal with most of their problems:
    I don't have any big problems and don't owe any money. The Swiss are doing better than the Obamaified Americans though and that was the point you seem to have missed.


    Did you read the document, how it is and was implemented and how it works? Did you also happen to see their employments figures, the national debt, their annual budgets? How does any of that compare with the Obama Administration?

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