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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's what we've done. We call that group of like-minded people "Americans".
    So all Americans are for these safety nets, or just some?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So all Americans are for these safety nets, or just some?
    Depending on which program is in question, I would say a majority of Americans support certain safety net programs.

    Social Security being one of them, there's a reason it's referred to as the 3rd rail of American politics, why do you think not even Republicans dare to try and end the program?

    Now it does need reform to make it sustainable but that's a conversation for another time.

    All in all you're doing your usual wannabe American right winger song and dance.

    Mr. West made a unsubstantiated claim, which he has absolutely no evidence of and thus far has made no attempt to back up, and yet you sit here defending it as if it were the ****ing gospel.

    And why?

    Because you wish you were an American tea partier.

    Well sorry you can't be one, but you're a relatively intelligent guy and you don't need to defend every single right wingers nutty claims about the opposition.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party, he is going to win.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Again, if you prefer safety nets you can group together with like minded people who also want safety nets. Perhaps form a co-op of some sort. But why have others involved who aren't interested in these 'safety nets', who have no confidence in government and prefer to look after ourselves, and our neighbors, independently?
    The big question is does one go about accomplishing one's ends through peaceful cooperation or through violent coercion. As Grant said, there's nothing wrong with like-minded people getting getting together and creating a social safety net. It's when they use violence to coerce others into participating that their good intentions are outweighed by their barbarous actions.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Depending on which program is in question, I would say a majority of Americans support certain safety net programs.
    You may say that but in fact you don't know if it's true or not. That's certainly not true in this health care debacle and I would suspect many other cases as well. But the government is forcing ALL Americans do get involved n their schemes whether it makes any financial sense or not. Why cant individual Americans make those decisions? Or, at the very least, each State.
    Social Security being one of them, there's a reason it's referred to as the 3rd rail of American politics, why do you think not even Republicans dare to try and end the program?
    Because once they are introduced, and all without the approval of the American people, they are very difficult to get rid of. There will be a lot of disappointed baby boomers, and beyond, who will not have the promised money for their retirement but who have made plans that this would be so. There will be no money for these people.

    Now it does need reform to make it sustainable but that's a conversation for another time.
    No, it is unsustainable. There is no way to reform this broken system because, in this system, its all about money, money that is not there. It's all very well to dream of "reform" as though that's a possibility for the scheme to continue but anyone who thinks that, especially with the trillion dollars increase in debt every few months, makes any "reform" impossible.
    All in all you're doing your usual wannabe American right winger song and dance.
    There is absolutely no way in the world I would want to be an American right now, for the reasons explained above. You should drop this silliness. These class wars are going to get rougher and I don't need that hassle.
    Mr. West made a unsubstantiated claim, which he has absolutely no evidence of and thus far has made no attempt to back up, and yet you sit here defending it as if it were the ****ing gospel.
    How do you know it is "unsubstantiated". Historically, its the communists who lie. We all know that, or should. And in fact Ive said more than once that I don;t know if these charges are true or not but they should certainly be investigated.

    And why? Because you wish you were an American tea partier.
    More silliness. That seems to form the basis of your debate style. If I wanted to be an American tea Partier there is nothing to prevent me.

    Well sorry you can't be one, but you're a relatively intelligent guy and you don't need to defend every single right wingers nutty claims about the opposition.
    I certainly could be a Tea Partier, as well as an American, but choose not to be. I'm happy spending most of my life in Canada and central America. Do you know of a good reason, if you think know me, why I would want that to change? I certainly have no interest in you beyond your juvenile posts to which I feel i feel obliged to respond. Why your fixation on my personal life?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So all Americans are for these safety nets, or just some?
    A majority are for them, which is how a representative democracy decides what to do -- by a majority.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's what we've done. We call that group of like-minded people "Americans".
    So that is why we have the Food Stamp one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama. We want food stamps provided by our big brother government rather than a job provided by "evil" businesses. That explains it. Thanks.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    A majority are for them, which is how a representative democracy decides what to do -- by a majority.

    So you have downsized your previous statement from "Americans" to a majority of Americans.

    But how do you know a majority of Americans wanted these programs to begin with? Are you claiming that the majority of Americans want the health care act Pelosi and Obama pushed through a blind Congress?

    It seems you're going to have to downsize your claim some more.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So that is why we have the Food Stamp one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama. We want food stamps provided by our big brother government rather than a job provided by "evil" businesses. That explains it. Thanks.
    As usual your analysis is flawless.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you have downsized your previous statement from "Americans" to a majority of Americans.

    But how do you know a majority of Americans wanted these programs to begin with? Are you claiming that the majority of Americans want the health care act Pelosi and Obama pushed through a blind Congress?

    It seems you're going to have to downsize your claim some more.
    One way to know is polls. Another way is that Americans keep electing polticians who support safety net programs -- and punish those who don't.

    Of course health care reform has many components and it's not the case that everyone who opposes the whole package opposes every part of it. In fact polls show that when you break it down into component parts, most Americans support most of the law.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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