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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I admire James Madison for things he wrote and accomplished in his life. I don't live by every word he uttered, nor do I feel compelled to.

    And didn't just say you support safety nets?
    "Safety nets". Yes.

    Largesse. No.

    Our problem is the latter. If you doubt me, go hang out in close proximity to the "cash registers" at Walmart for a 30 minute stretch.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I admire James Madison for things he wrote and accomplished in his life. I don't live by every word he uttered, nor do I feel compelled to.

    And didn't just say you support safety nets?

    So like many other liberals in this country, you enjoy the history of the founders, and admire their words, but in the end unless you can use it to liberal/progressive ends, then they are just outdated victorian thought that has no place in the modern world. Liberals would only cherry pick the constitution when it suits their needs, and when it doesn't then throw it in the trash.


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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I agree with this assessment. And others should stop conflating liberalism with Stalin, if only for just this reason.
    If your ideas weren't snuggled up so close to his ideas (Radical Karl's ideas really) we would have an easier time of it. When the differences are really more about the means rather than the ends what are we to think? And should you tell me only the fundamental ideas of Marxism inform the liberal elites while they leave out the crackpot ideas am I supposed to be relieved or simply duped?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Because of their emphasis on state control, both Nazis and Commies should be placed on the LEFT end of the spectrum. They were different in their levels of control in different areas of life, but if you removed the political stickers and simply looked at how they ordered society, they were remarkably alike. The commie party leadership and the arbitrary, capricious authoritarianism of the dictator at the top are interchangeable.


    Stalin and the commies of course created the collective farms and state owned and directed factories.
    Fortunately the Soviet Union's Central Planning under its handful of unaccountable czars became the model for the rest of the world. At last, under the wise gaze of our Dear Leader, the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama our economy is finally doing just as well as the Soviet Union's did.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So like many other liberals in this country, you enjoy the history of the founders, and admire their words, but in the end unless you can use it to liberal/progressive ends, then they are just outdated victorian thought that has no place in the modern world. Liberals would only cherry pick the constitution when it suits their needs, and when it doesn't then throw it in the trash.


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    The constitution is the law of the land. James Madison's musings are not. And I admire many great thinkers throughout history, but I am my own man, and I don't feel I have to defer to any single belief because an arbitrary historical figure supported it.

    I mean, even the founders disagreed with each other and strayed from their own professed orthodoxy at times in the course of governance.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If your ideas weren't snuggled up so close to his ideas (Radical Karl's ideas really) we would have an easier time of it. When the differences are really more about the means rather than the ends what are we to think? And should you tell me only the fundamental ideas of Marxism inform the liberal elites while they leave out the crackpot ideas am I supposed to be relieved or simply duped?
    I have very little in common with Stalin -- save the name Joe. Your post is barely coherent.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I have very little in common with Stalin -- save the name Joe. Your post is barely coherent.
    Oh come now, you can do better that that. Were my sentences too long for you? Let's see.
    If your ideas weren't snuggled up so close to his ideas (Radical Karl's ideas really) we would have an easier time of it. - 23 words. Probably too long.
    When the differences are really more about the means rather than the ends what are we to think? - 18 words. Nope. About right.
    And should you tell me only the fundamental ideas of Marxism inform the liberal elites while they leave out the crackpot ideas am I supposed to be relieved or simply duped? - 31 words. Well yeah. You got me. This one is way too long for a liberal to understand.

    I sorry.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    The constitution is the law of the land. James Madison's musings are not. And I admire many great thinkers throughout history, but I am my own man, and I don't feel I have to defer to any single belief because an arbitrary historical figure supported it.

    I mean, even the founders disagreed with each other and strayed from their own professed orthodoxy at times in the course of governance.
    Oh really ? What James Madison has to say are "musings", while the gibberish of liberal simpletons is somehow gospel ? Madison is the most acknowledged Father of the Constitution. A common liberal idiot just one more pimple on the ass of the Republic.

    Obama will not be the downfall of the Republic. The full-blown dumbass idiots who support him will be.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.
    Again, if you prefer safety nets you can group together with like minded people who also want safety nets. Perhaps form a co-op of some sort. But why have others involved who aren't interested in these 'safety nets', who have no confidence in government and prefer to look after ourselves, and our neighbors, independently?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Again, if you prefer safety nets you can group together with like minded people who also want safety nets.
    That's what we've done. We call that group of like-minded people "Americans".
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