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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I agree with this assessment. And others should stop conflating liberalism with Stalin, if only for just this reason.
    Exactly. It's a free country (supposedly). If you and your friends want to set up a commune or a cooperative so as to produce for use rather than profit, I say more power to you. The only objection I have is when you pick up your guns (or have the government do it for you) and start making as all live in communes.

    It's not one's admiration of communism that is evil. It is forcing one's will upon others at the point of a gun that is evil. That goes for fascism as well as communism, socialism, and any other -ism out there. Do what you want, but you have no right to impose your -ism on others.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Exactly. It's a free country (supposedly). If you and your friends want to set up a commune or a cooperative so as to produce for use rather than profit, I say more power to you. The only objection I have is when you pick up your guns (or have the government do it for you) and start making as all live in communes.

    It's not one's admiration of communism that is evil. It is forcing one's will upon others at the point of a gun that is evil. That goes for fascism as well as communism, socialism, and any other -ism out there. Do what you want, but you have no right to impose your -ism on others.
    Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Because of their emphasis on state control, both Nazis and Commies should be placed on the LEFT end of the spectrum. They were different in their levels of control in different areas of life, but if you removed the political stickers and simply looked at how they ordered society, they were remarkably alike. The commie party leadership and the arbitrary, capricious authoritarianism of the dictator at the top are interchangeable.


    Stalin and the commies of course created the collective farms and state owned and directed factories.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.
    We all support "safety nets". You sitting on your ass thinking that I need to work to feed you is not one I embrace, as an example.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    We all support "safety nets". You sitting on your ass thinking that I need to work to feed you is not one I embrace, as an example.
    Then, according to some conservatives in this thread, you're a communist.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    We all support "safety nets". You sitting on your ass thinking that I need to work to feed you is not one I embrace, as an example.
    Your not a waiter at Denny's?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.
    I personally don't think it is ever morally acceptable to initiate violence against my fellow man, even if it is to accomplish something I think is worthwhile, such as a social safety net. That's why I don't support such legislation.

    I suppose this is indeed where we part ways.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Then, according to some conservatives in this thread, you're a communist.
    They can speak for themselves. As we all know, you sure as **** speak for no Conservatives.

    Have you ever read of the Founders, and their beliefs on such "safety nets" ? Madison perhaps ?

    Here is a start for you and other liberals. For free. As I am a firm believer in educating liberals in those things American, as opposied to those that would hope you embrace liberal socialist communist stupidity at the expense of such as me. I will never ambrace that. Never.

    For you. James Madison. His own words:

    I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
    Now. Perhaps you may want to learn more about America.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Your not a waiter at Denny's?
    A lame attempt at being humorous <sigh>. Show us all a waiter at Denny's who is compelled to serve you at the end of a government gun.

    Thanks. And try better next time

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    They can speak for themselves. As we all know, you sure as **** speak for no Conservatives.

    Have you ever read of the Founders, and their beliefs on such "safety nets" ? Madison perhaps ?

    Here is a start for you and other liberals. For free. As I am a firm believer in educating liberals in those things American, as opposied to those that would hope you embrace liberal socialist communist stupidity at the expense of such as me. I will never ambrace that. Never.

    For you. James Madison. His own words:



    Now. Perhaps you may want to learn more about America.
    I admire James Madison for things he wrote and accomplished in his life. I don't live by every word he uttered, nor do I feel compelled to.

    And didn't just say you support safety nets?

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