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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Um....the members of congress are elected, are they not?

    So....uh.....someone tell me.....why anyone should CARE if those members are communist, or support communist leaning legislation, or not?

    American gets exactly the leaders she both wants and deserves.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Wow, ignorance clearly is bliss

    The McCarthy critics like to ignore Venona project decrypted Soviet messages and recently released Soviet espionage data that confirms many of the people accused by McCarthy were in fact communists....commie ****bags
    If you fire a couple of rounds of bird shot into a large crowd of people, you're bound to hit at least ONE or two communists.


    What I mean to say is, of COURSE he accused a few actual, honest to god communists...because he accused just about everyone around him. He accused so many people, and had so many people on the suspect list, that, frankly, I'd be more shocked if a few of them WEREN'T communist...
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Um....the members of congress are elected, are they not?

    So....uh.....someone tell me.....why anyone should CARE if those members are communist, or support communist leaning legislation, or not?

    American gets exactly the leaders she both wants and deserves.
    Perhaps these members of Congress didn't declare themselves as communists for fear it might damage their chances of being elected.

    Just a hunch.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If you fire a couple of rounds of bird shot into a large crowd of people, you're bound to hit at least ONE or two communists.
    It would be a start.

    But why do you suppose, given its record of failure and gross inhumanity, there are any communists around at all?

    Is it a form of insanity?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It would be a start.

    But why do you suppose, given its record of failure and gross inhumanity, there are any communists around at all?

    Is it a form of insanity?
    I wouldn't call it insanity, just self delusion. A "true", hard core commy, who would likely call themselves anrcho capitalist, would say that it's the ONLY way to be free, lol. Me? I don't drink the cool aid.

    That self same, "true" commy, would also likely point out that "true" communism has never been tried before. Then, you would tell them something like, "well, that's because it's simply not logistically possible to do", and the response would be a very intellectual sounding "Nuh UH!!!!", with a bunch or long, dry, boring reading material references that I would be "required" to read, in order to debate it "honestly". Just from my experience, anyway.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps these members of Congress didn't declare themselves as communists for fear it might damage their chances of being elected.

    Just a hunch.
    More likely they didn't call themselves communists, because they don't believe they are. Having a few social leanings, does not make one a socialist, just like having a few conservative leanings does not make one a conservative. Much to the chagrin of just about all of the so called "conservatives" currently spending their way through all of our current and tomorrows tax projections as if tomorrow doesn't exist.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    . . .But we also understand that fostering such opportunity requires political will and that sometimes in the real world cooperation works better than competition.
    I thought about this statement for a bit. I realized that you are making two very big, unstated assumptions concerning the value of cooperation. First in order to cooperate we have to agree on our purpose, or if you prefer, we have to agree on what we want to be done. Second we have to agree on the right course of action which will allow us to accomplish our purpose. I do not believe either of your assumptions are true.

    Therefore, competition is better. It does not require that we agree upon our purpose nor upon the method we must use to accomplish our purpose. Competition encourages creativity. Cooperation does not. Competition helps us determine the things we know and the things we do not know.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Two things.

    Capitalism is not a code word for self-interest, although self-interest obviously plays a key role. Capitalism harnesses human behavior to fuel production, which is why it works. But self-interest isn't the only human motivation.

    It's not me deciding anything. It's the political will of the electorate. Thus, representative democracy is what ultimately regulates the market and makes it responsive to our needs.
    In free market capitalism I get to decide how to pursue my happiness, my self interest. You have said nothing above that diminishes that in any way. Capitalism has created the greatest quantity of goods, services and wealth for more people than any other method of organizing human activity. We know how to act in our best interest better than anyone else. When we do what is best for us it turns out that we maximize what is best for all.

    Your second statement shows that you have the mindset and heart of a tyrant. You want the government to determine what our needs are and to compel markets to comply. I wonder why that is. Did you grow up under one of the many totalitarian utopias that mar the globe? Perhaps your formative years were spent behind the Iron Curtain where the central planners did such an amazing job.

    Government ought to do very little when it comes to business. Unfortunately it does way, way, way too much.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    We've had a progressive tax system for the entirety of our history save one year in the late 19th century.
    This just did not sound right to me, especially since no provision was made for an income tax in the Constitution. Wikipedia says, "The first income tax suggested in the United States was during the War of 1812."

    Then, after losing in court, "Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment (ratified by the requisite number of states in 1913),[22] which states:
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

    No indications of a progressive income tax there. Just the ability to tax incomes. It was a very bad idea.

    After the Congress got a hold of a little bit of our money they gradually added in layer after lay, gradually taking as much of our liberty as possible like little slices of salami. At this point about the feds intend to take about a third.

    And yes, Radical Karl did say that a steeply progressive income tax was necessary to wreck capital formation and therefore defeat capitalism.

    Your mileage may vary.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    A strong military is a pillar of Fascism.
    Well, maybe. It is far more likely to be one of the enumerated reasons for forming a Union. I offer the United States as an example of the latter.

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