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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's what the Democrats wanted McCarthy to do as well, and much against his better judgment. He wanted a Senate committee to quiely investigate. Of course we now know that there were Communists who had infiltrated the American government at the highest levels.

    What good do you think it would do by naming these people?
    McCarthy was a drunk and a trouble maker..

    West is no different.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I can't believe that there are 45 pages worth of idiotic posts still trying to defend the patently insane statement by Rep. West.
    I can believe it. I am frankly surprised it took as long as it did to get to this length.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    McCarthy was a drunk and a trouble maker..

    West is no different.
    So West is a drunk? proof please.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The point is that in today's political atmosphere in DC, it is not only possible that members of our congress, and Senate are holding beliefs that align with communist ideals, but probable. We have a culture of finger pointing, and ad hom in place of defending policy. Thank demo's in charge now for that one.

    Both sides are now doing that, however, don't for one second think that it isn't clear to a majority of people in this country who is actually doing the dividing to mask their failures....That is what will be Obama's real legacy in being a one termer.


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    Possible? Yes but very unlikely. Probable? I'm afraid not seeing as you gave me 1 example that was even remotely probable. Accusations of this severity shouldn't be based on assumptions and guesses, so seeing as you've provided a grand total of 1 plausible examples, I'll take that as a white flag.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Possible? Yes but very unlikely. Probable? I'm afraid not seeing as you gave me 1 example that was even remotely probable. Accusations of this severity shouldn't be based on assumptions and guesses, so seeing as you've provided a grand total of 1 plausible examples, I'll take that as a white flag.
    Yes, yes...Dismiss and declare victory...Another playbook oldie but goodie. Pfft. Thanks for revealing that rational discussion is rather pointless with those that take similar stances to yours here.


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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it isn't debatable at all. If you understand Karl Marx at all, and or, have read the Communist Manefesto, I'd need you to show me where I am wrong on this. Here they are again...

    1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

    The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

    Now you can deny all you want, but it is right there for you to read.




    Then the "takeaway" is dead wrong.


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    Alright j-mac

    I concede that a progressive system of taxation is one demand that Karl Marx makes in the Communist Manifesto. However, it is SHORT-TERM demand to facilitate the transition to a true communist (stateless and classless) society. The implementation of the above 10 demands was meant as PRECURSOR to communism, not true communism itself.

    Regardless, the point remains that just because a country implements a system of progressive taxation doesn't make it inherently Communist. As spud said, that's like saying any country with a strong military or sense of nationalism is fascist.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Because Communists are evil correct?
    Not necessarily, but they are stupid. And it was the forced implementation of these stupid ideas that caused the deaths of over 100 million people and the ruination of millions of more lives. Defend Fascism, Racism, Communism, Nazism, or any of these other isms that would destroy human freedoms and rights, but you'll get the contempt you deserve.

    Sounds like a rebirth of the Mccarthy era to me.
    Does it? Then you probably know dick about "The Mccarthy era", or the eventual fallout.


    The only reputation he's damaged is his own, perhaps Mr West should avoid making such idiotic claims in the future to avoid any future embarrassment.
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    How do you know they are idiotic? What evidence do you have that that's the case? Are you saying it's just "Red's under the bed"?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    McCarthy was a drunk and a trouble maker..

    West is no different.
    So you would prefer that we remain silent about Nazis, Communists, Fascists, Racists etc, in the government because to expose them would make trouble. Brilliant!

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Colossal failures? Really? Is that why a huge majority of Americans strongly support Social Security, Medicare, and other social safety net programs that were stablished in the New Deal and Great Society programs? Is that why we had no serious banking crises until Reagan and Clinton dismantled New Deal bank reforms?
    The forces of socialism starting with the New Deal/Great Society and currently represented by the secular progressive movement have irreparably hobbled America economically. For whatever reason post WW-II America has become a litigious society, and that more than anything else has driven this idea that literally every behavior of every citizen needs to be structured 100% of the time by the government.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    McCarthy was a drunk and a trouble maker..

    West is no different.
    Wow, ignorance clearly is bliss

    The McCarthy critics like to ignore Venona project decrypted Soviet messages and recently released Soviet espionage data that confirms many of the people accused by McCarthy were in fact communists....commie ****bags

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