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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, and looks like a duck ........ Allen West is merely pointing out the obvious.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, and looks like a duck ........ Allen West is merely pointing out the obvious.
    Then he should man up and name names.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it isn't debatable at all. If you understand Karl Marx at all, and or, have read the Communist Manefesto, I'd need you to show me where I am wrong on this. Here they are again...

    1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

    The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

    Now you can deny all you want, but it is right there for you to read.




    Then the "takeaway" is dead wrong.


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    Not sure you understand, just because an idea is espoused by a deviant group, does not make it an inherently evil idea. In your above list, an equal obligation for all to work is one of the "pillars of communism" it just so happens to be an idea that has been sponsored by conservatives for decades and remains popular even to this day. The fact that the idea was also sponsored by communists doesn't make it any less noble, nor does it make it a "communist idea."
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Then he should man up and name names.
    That's what the Democrats wanted McCarthy to do as well, and much against his better judgment. He wanted a Senate committee to quiely investigate. Of course we now know that there were Communists who had infiltrated the American government at the highest levels.

    What good do you think it would do by naming these people?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Allen West is an idiot.

    That anyone takes what he says seriously is scary.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's what the Democrats wanted McCarthy to do as well, and much against his better judgment. He wanted a Senate committee to quiely investigate. Of course we now know that there were Communists who had infiltrated the American government at the highest levels.

    What good do you think it would do by naming these people?
    Perhaps to establish some credibility and ensure us that he isn't talking out of his ***, although it'd be pretty hard to convince objective people otherwise at this point given his history of spouting off absolute nonsense at a furious rate.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Perhaps to establish some credibility and ensure us that he isn't talking out of his ***, although it'd be pretty hard to convince objective people otherwise at this point given his history of spouting off absolute nonsense at a furious rate.
    Oh I think there is little doubt that it is rectum reveille that he is playing.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Not sure you understand, just because an idea is espoused by a deviant group, does not make it an inherently evil idea. In your above list, an equal obligation for all to work is one of the "pillars of communism" it just so happens to be an idea that has been sponsored by conservatives for decades and remains popular even to this day. The fact that the idea was also sponsored by communists doesn't make it any less noble, nor does it make it a "communist idea."
    Perhaps all or some of these ideas are quite innocent and worthy of discussion but what was evil, and remains evil, was the forced implementation of these ideas.

    You'll notice that some of these ideas have already been implemented to varying degrees but there was, as in the health care act, little public input. In fact, in the latter case, it is against public will.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    Allen West is an idiot.

    That anyone takes what he says seriously is scary.
    Yes, that''s the common mantra of leftists. Deny, deny, deny. We've been through this before. Nothing has changed.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Not sure you understand, just because an idea is espoused by a deviant group, does not make it an inherently evil idea. In your above list, an equal obligation for all to work is one of the "pillars of communism" it just so happens to be an idea that has been sponsored by conservatives for decades and remains popular even to this day. The fact that the idea was also sponsored by communists doesn't make it any less noble, nor does it make it a "communist idea."

    Understood, however when you couple these together with their other 'pillars', or 'planks' such as, abolition of private property then you have a slave to the state, not an individual working for a free dream.


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