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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    LOL - no it's not. Wanting to rejoin and solidify a nation's people by blood, culture, heritage and history is key to fascism in and effort to restore it to it's original 'intended state' - of course: a military seems ot be necessary to do this because in order to do it people must comply, accept it - or be done away with.
    The point remains that just because progressive taxation is a pillar of communism (a debatable point to begin with), doesn't mean that progressive taxation is inherently or uniquely socialist. I think that was the takeaway.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    So you deny that a mixed economy is putting socialist ideas in a capitalist society so that resources and services are more available to all? So you deny they are for sharing resources and you ignore many of them are for naturalizing industries such as healthcare, education, and housing?

    And like I said the founders were not for a mixed economy . If you think they were, show some evidence. I see nothing here.
    The government regulated business with the very first congress, and government owned resources with the very first congress(hell, before even). That makes a mixed economy. Do please learn history.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The government regulated business with the very first congress, and government owned resources with the very first congress(hell, before even). That makes a mixed economy. Do please learn history.
    That is not a mixed economy. Do learn what you are talking about.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is not a mixed economy. Do learn what you are talking about.
    Mixed economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Most mixed economies can be described as market economies with strong regulatory oversight, in addition to having a variety of government-sponsored aspects. See Elements of a mixed economy.
    So history is not your only weak subject.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Mixed economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    So history is not your only weak subject.
    You think that works for what they started? One thing on that list qualifies the rest fails horribly.

    Calling it a mixed economy is a reach and you know it.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You think that works for what they started? One thing on that list qualifies the rest fails horribly.

    Calling it a mixed economy is a reach and you know it.
    Actually many things on the list of things qualify. I don't have to revise history to fit my ideology.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually many things on the list of things qualify. I don't have to revise history to fit my ideology.
    I recounted and there is 1 and a half things on that list that count.

    I guess if you want to have fun with the term and think that 1 and half things makes it a mixed economy when the meat of the idea is completely left out, go right ahead.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Mixed economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    So history is not your only weak subject.
    Mixed economy is an economic system in which both the state and private sector direct the economy, reflecting characteristics of both market economies and planned economies.
    Mixed economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I don't agree with the concept that merely having the government own resources, and having any regulation at all, indicates a planned economy.

    I would not look at a completely free-market system, and claim "THIS IS A PLANNED ECONOMY!" because the government owns the Federal building.

    Really? Owning the White House, is government owning a resource. Does that mean it's a planned economy? I don't think you can rationally make that case.

    Nor does regulation inherently mean a planned economy. There are two very different types of regulations. Establishing ownership of a car through regulation of registration, is not a planned economy. Those regulations don't not hinder, direct, control, or change the direction of the free-market system. They merely establish a system of ownership.

    This is good. It's part of the Capitalist system, of protecting peoples rights of property.

    Point being, it's still not an example of a "planned economy" which makes it a mixed economy.

    That said, I do believe that there were some aspects of a planned economy early.... not at the start, but early in our nations history. And I would argue that the evidence shows the planned aspects didn't work then, as they still don't today.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The point remains that just because progressive taxation is a pillar of communism (a debatable point to begin with), doesn't mean that progressive taxation is inherently or uniquely socialist. I think that was the takeaway.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The point remains that just because progressive taxation is a pillar of communism (a debatable point to begin with)
    No, it isn't debatable at all. If you understand Karl Marx at all, and or, have read the Communist Manefesto, I'd need you to show me where I am wrong on this. Here they are again...

    1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

    The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

    Now you can deny all you want, but it is right there for you to read.

    doesn't mean that progressive taxation is inherently or uniquely socialist. I think that was the takeaway.

    Then the "takeaway" is dead wrong.


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