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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    A progressive taxation system is a pillar of communism.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    A strong military is a pillar of Fascism.
    LOL - no it's not. Wanting to rejoin and solidify a nation's people by blood, culture, heritage and history is key to fascism in and effort to restore it to it's original 'intended state' - of course: a military seems ot be necessary to do this because in order to do it people must comply, accept it - or be done away with.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    A progressive taxation system is a pillar of communism.

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    I don't know if that is true or false, but I do know that if they were to depend on a system like a sales tax system or lets say a tariff based system or even a system that was paying directly for the services provided the state would have no blood in the veins to fed their pressures on it. Same is true for our monetary system. If the fed didn't behave in the way that it does the amount of currency just wouldn't be enough to feed their system for any sort of length of time. It simply would not be able to get off the ground without starting at the end point of the system. In order for the system to have any sort of live line at all they needed to change up the system on both fronts to get anything moving.

    The problem is that both ideas while they make it move aren't that wonderfully planned out and they always seem to end in the same fashion. This is however usual for socialist and people that think like them. They always come with an idea that can get something moving, but they can never figure out a way to keep it moving. Some of said in the past that it doesn't matter about the future, but as time goes on less and less of those people are willing to say such a thing. The problem is that socialism can only feed and they can't bring themselves to admit that there is no real way to make it last.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    81, is that all? I thought there were more.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I don't share your belief that taxation is punishment, especially not when those being taxed have a say.
    Just a small sidenote

    The core issue here is the liberal mindset that the government can control people's lives and money better and more efficiently than they can. I fundamentally disagree with this philosophy. In case you don't recall, resistance to this ideology is why we fought the Cold War.

    Take for instance....The New Deal and the Great Society. Both have been a colossal failures.

    It hasn't worked before, so let's try, try, again? Just a little bit higher taxes, just a few more government programs, and a little more wealth redistribution. That's always the answer, more and more government control. Got to keep tuning the system, right? Keep trying it until America's economically irrelevant and we live in a police state..... Because that's the end result of all of this thinking.

    This is the core of American liberal *democrat* ideology.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Just a small sidenote

    The core issue here is the liberal mindset that the government can control people's lives and money better and more efficiently than they can. I fundamentally disagree with this philosophy. In case you don't recall, resistance to this ideology is why we fought the Cold War.

    Take for instance....The New Deal and the Great Society. Both have been a colossal failures.

    It hasn't worked before, so let's try, try, again? Just a little bit higher taxes, just a few more government programs, and a little more wealth redistribution. That's always the answer, more and more government control. Got to keep tuning the system, right? Keep trying it until America's economically irrelevant and we live in a police state..... Because that's the end result of all of this thinking.

    This is the core of American liberal *democrat* ideology.
    Colossal failures? Really? Is that why a huge majority of Americans strongly support Social Security, Medicare, and other social safety net programs that were stablished in the New Deal and Great Society programs? Is that why we had no serious banking crises until Reagan and Clinton dismantled New Deal bank reforms?
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    Colossal failures? Really? Is that why a huge majority of Americans strongly support Social Security, Medicare, and other social safety net programs that were stablished in the New Deal and Great Society programs?
    Appeal to popularity fallacy.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Appeal to popularity fallacy.
    Appeal to democracy -- win.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Appeal to democracy -- win.
    Did you enjoy your fallacy?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

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    81, is that all? I thought there were more.
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