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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Law is to protect you from people kicking you in the head. In fact, that is the entire point behind it. Capitalism has nothing to do with it.



    In theory they are the best economies according to you. In practice, they depend on making things rights that rob liberty and violate the rights of people. In time the pressures it creates breaks the country and causes growing wealth disparity.
    Not much point in continuing this discussion. Pure capitalism does not and cannot exist in the real world, nor is it free of abuses in practice.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Not much point in continuing this discussion. Pure capitalism does not and cannot exist in the real world, nor is it free of abuses in practice.
    Anarcho-capitalism? Is that what you talking about? Anyone that doesn't notice that you need a police and military are idiots. They are not part of a mixed economy either. If you look at my profile you will see I'm not an Anarcho-capitalist.

    And what system is free from abusers? My point is that your system is built on abuse, not that it just happens.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Alan west spouted that his town hall meeting after he was asked that jokingly by someone in the audience..and he answered it seriously.
    Hes going to have a hard campaign the fla teaparty has issues with him...so hes trying to woo them back with far right wackiness...

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I wasn't making any argument for or against capitalism, just asking a question of those who have a simplistic, inaccurate fantasy built around some fairy tale they read at Free Republic or heard on a talk show, that's all. If you can't explain your own ideology, that's fine, it doesn't bother me.
    I like a good commie thread.....

    The essence of capitalism is not just making mo' money. It is the freedom to do what you want, and to succeed or fail at what you want to do as the result of your skills, work, filling a need, etc.

    It is a choice by the individual. To do what he or she wants. Not as directed by the State. Further more, while politics certainly plays its part, advancement is largely determined by merit. Unlike Socialism, where there is no advancement.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Not much point in continuing this discussion. Pure capitalism does not and cannot exist in the real world, nor is it free of abuses in practice.
    Btw, when I told you that Marx only deals with redirect tactics and make it point to say that many of the people that believe in his ideas practice it I would avoid using redirect tactics in the exact same thread if I were you. Doing so just proves my point.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Anarcho-capitalism? Is that what you talking about? Anyone that doesn't notice that you need a police and military are idiots. They are not part of a mixed economy either. If you look at my profile you will see I'm not an Anarcho-capitalist.

    And what system is free from abusers? My point is that your system is built on abuse, not that it just happens.
    Why don't police and military count? Why is forced taxation and social planning acceptable only for areas you define but not others? You'll probably cite the constitution, but I have decades of legal precedent to stand up to any argument based on strict constructionism.

    On the one hand, you're proposing a mixed economy (by your definition, a community police force is certainly a socialist organization) but arguing that mixed economies are based on abuse. But that's a point that's almost not worth making, because your ideas are anathema to most Americans, so they will continue to safely exist only in your mind.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Btw, when I told you that Marx only deals with redirect tactics and make it point to say that many of the people that believe in his ideas practice it I would avoid using redirect tactics in the exact same thread if I were you. Doing so just proves my point.
    Yes, that post clearly aligns me with Karl Marx and Pol Pot and the Chairman Mao.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Why don't police and military count? Why is forced taxation and social planning acceptable only for areas you define but not others? You'll probably cite the constitution, but I have decades of legal precedent to stand up to any argument based on strict constructionism.

    On the one hand, you're proposing a mixed economy (by your definition, a community police force is certainly a socialist organization) but arguing that mixed economies are based on abuse. But that's a point that's almost not worth making, because your ideas are anathema to most Americans, so they will continue to safely exist only in your mind.
    You seem like a smart guy. Why are you placing yourself on the wrong side of history? Why do you put yourself on the side that leads to unnecessary poverty, misery, torture, murder and totalitarianism? Are you unfamiliar with the fruits of socialism as it has been frequently been practiced? Are you such a foe of that which is called capitalism although it just means that you get to decide for you while I decide for me?

    I do not understand why the smart ones go awry. The dullards will do as they will.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Not much point in continuing this discussion. Pure capitalism does not and cannot exist in the real world, nor is it free of abuses in practice.
    Define pure capitalism.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I like a good commie thread.....

    The essence of capitalism is not just making mo' money. It is the freedom to do what you want, and to succeed or fail at what you want to do as the result of your skills, work, filling a need, etc.

    It is a choice by the individual. To do what he or she wants. Not as directed by the State. Further more, while politics certainly plays its part, advancement is largely determined by merit. Unlike Socialism, where there is no advancement.
    And this is where the misunderstanding arises. You see, modern, mainstream liberalism agrees with you. Most liberals favor equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. But we also understand that fostering such opportunity requires political will and that sometimes in the real world cooperation works better than competition.

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