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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    The difference between a socialist and a communist is that former would love to be the latter...if he could still travel in private jets and drink the best booze and wear the best clothes and live in the best neighborhoods. Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

    The problem is about half this country DOES NOT CARE if congress has 80 communist members just as long as that half of the country continues to get their food stamps, free cell phones, section 8 housing vouchers etc. It's all part of the Cloward-Piven strategy to collapse the system.

    Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development of socialism. Even Marx agreed with that.

    Why do progressives/socialists deny this?

    But...Communist is such an ugly word... Progressive is much nicer, don’t you think?
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you think America has moved to the Left or to the Right over the past couple of generations?
    I would say that from a legalistic stand point, America has leaned more Right. Moreover, if many of the states that went (more) Republican since the 2010 mid-term election had their way, they'd push the country more Right from a legal perspective. In that regard, how would that America any different from the Middle-Eastern countries we've witnessed from afar retain a particular party in power for upwards of 20-35 years? To be sure, the only thing that truly separates us from them where the hold on power is concerned is in countries like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Egypt it's been a matter of one man rule (for the most part; the Baath Party in Iraq and religious zealots in Iran notwithstanding).

    Think about it...think long and hard. And while you're at it consider which party's politics have been in play the majority of the time since the 80's.

    Are the American people as free as they once were? Just as self reliant and confident?
    Well, ask yourself these simple questions:

    1) Have your moments been restricted? Can you not go wherever you please both within your city? Your State? Your country? Or do you have to show your papers at every checkpoint?

    2) Can you not still say whatever you want short of yelling "FIRE" in a crowded room?

    3) Have you or anyone you know been pulled from the peaceful confines of your home against your will WITHOUT explanation or WITHOUT a warrant?

    That their future as a proud and independent people spreading democracy throughout the world is inviolate? It doesn't appear that way to me. Instead the American people are turning on each other, participating in class warfare and destroying their economy.
    Well, when you have economic instability and equality for as long as it's been present in this country, when people are are assailed for no other reason than to trim expenditures for budgetary concerns and when regulations which could help move the nation forward but are instead stimmied for political reasons than to win political points, I'd say there's a reason the "class wars", "race wars" and "religious wars" have seemed to take root.

    There doesn't seem to be any American heroes to inspire anymore, and if there are genuine heroes there are always being shot down by the usual suspects. Hollywood creates more American villains, especially among members of their own government, than any other type.
    I have no comment on your last paragraph frankly because it doesn't make much sense.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Did he NAME them?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Like I said, a mixed economy is a socialist idea.

    The failure of progressives is the idea that broken gears in a working clock makes the broken gear not broken and that the broken gear will not break the clock. When in truth a broken gear doesn't become unbroken when you put it in a working clock. All it does is break the clock.
    In this case all of congress is socialist, as were our founding fathers. The problem with far end nutso libertarianism is that it fails to see things in anything but extremes.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why not? You said progressives where socialists and communists. I just illustrated the folly of that point. In fact, the point was that it was absurd, just as calling republicans nazis is absurd, despite a few similarities.
    More likely I said something like first they were socialist, then they were liberals and now they are progressives.

    I took all the talking points from the socialist party USA and the progressives site you offered. The order for their desires is different. Their wording is slightly different. But many of the points are chillingly the same. Radical Karl said it best, "From each...to each..." And the socialists and progressives agree. They only differ in how to make it happen.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The time that the vast majority of the wealth has been concentrated in the hands of the relatively few is most of human history, whether the few was the pharohs or Caesar or the Catholic Church or the royal family or the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers or Romneys.
    Recent, relevant history shows a different list. Here are the top ten Americans with wealth from Forbes:


    Rank Name Net Worth Age Residence Source
    1 Bill Gates $59 B 55 Medina, Washington Microsoft
    2 Warren Buffett $39 B 81 Omaha, Nebraska Berkshire Hathaway
    3 Larry Ellison $33 B 67 Woodside, California Oracle
    4 Charles Koch $25 B 75 Wichita, Kansas diversified
    4 David Koch $25 B 71 New York, New York diversified
    6 Christy Walton $24.5 B 56 Jackson, Wyoming Wal-Mart
    7 George Soros $22 B 81 Katonah, New York hedge funds
    8 Sheldon Adelson $21.5 B 78 Las Vegas, Nevada casinos
    9 Jim Walton $21.1 B 63 Bentonville, Arkansas Wal-Mart
    10 Alice Walton $20.9 B 61 Fort Worth, Texas Wal-Mart

    That hardly seems like all of the wealth or even most of the wealth.
    The federal government pisses away more than a trillion dollars each year that it doesn't even have.
    Workers of the world unite (and you will all be equal in your abject poverty and misery).

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post

    "If you look at the application for a security clearance, I have a clearance that even the president of the United States cannot obtain because of my background. - Alan West"
    The point he was making is that unless one is the President of the United States one is very unlikely to get a high level security clearance after admitting to using coke, being a rabble, excuse me, community organizer, and the like. One man has integrity. The other is the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In this case all of congress is socialist, as were our founding fathers. The problem with far end nutso libertarianism is that it fails to see things in anything but extremes.
    If anyone here is seeing in extremes it is the people that won't admit that a mixed economy is a socialist idea. You won't accept anything as socialism but the classical use of the word which is NOT the only form of socialism that exists.

    And you either don't understand a mixed economy or you don't understand the founders as there is no way they qualify.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-14-12 at 07:27 PM.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In this case all of congress is socialist, as were our founding fathers.
    Warning! Kook alert! Kook alert! Remain calm. This person's perspective is a bit warped, in this case.

    The problem with far end nutso libertarianism is that it fails to see things in anything but extremes.
    Yeah. We are getting to the cliff hanger near the end of this episode in our history. Will Little Nell be saved?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post

    So a person who is partisan and likes to make irrational statements full of hyperbole and bias empty rhetoric said something that is exactly that. Consider me shocked LOL

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