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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Are you referring to taxation?
    Sharing the labor of others or a right to labor has nothing at all to do with the idea of taxation.

    My point has to do with how we treat services and what people can and can't deny people. Can I deny someone sick service? Yes or no? The answer is no. Why is that? Because someone declared someones labor a right and it sure wasn't people like myself. Can a public teacher say they will not teach a certain student? The answer is no again. Why is that? Because again someone declared labor a right. In the UHC system that people support can doctors deny coverage of individuals? The answer is again no. In the current mandates on the books for business can the business deny whatever service the government says they must provide? No, they can't because again someone declared labor a right. Who do you think this was? Liberals. Democrats maybe not for all, but liberals all the same. This is in an effort to share the labor of others so that people have what people think they should but otherwise can't get without someone somewhere being forced to it for them.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Do you see American history, then, as a long regression? Do you see the rise of American dominance as a threat to the world?
    What? I think when you have a constitution that is declared the law of the land it should be followed and upheld. If it is not, I feel people should go to jail for treason.

    When we have people saying the welfare clause allow the government to take care of people or when we Nancy Pelosi forming an entire website trying to convince people that the commerce clause allows the government to control interstate commerce they should be removed for their extreme amounts of ignorance
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Again. A complete diaper load.

    No one is denying anyone's right to have their goals, their "pursuit of happiness" as codified in our Founding Documents.

    But see what I bolded ? Your words "Individual merit". In your view, individual merit is some pathetic notion of a guaranteed outcome. In mine, and the mind of rugged individual Americans, its to have equal opportunity. Huge difference.

    "Diversity" is not guaranteed either. Liberalism <spit>
    My point was that more than one point of view -- even opposing points of view -- can have merit.

    Not only do you appear to not understand what I'm saying, but you attempt to prescribe my own beliefs so you can denounce them. You continue to argue against a caricature of your own creation.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    My point was that more than one point of view -- even opposing points of view -- can have merit.

    Not only do you appear to not understand what I'm saying, but you attempt to prescribe my own beliefs so you can denounce them. You continue to argue against a caricature of your own creation.
    You obviously don't have a clue what individualism means. When he tells you what it actually means that is not his own creation.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What? I think when you have a constitution that is declared the law of the land it should be followed and upheld. If it is not, I feel people should go to jail for treason.

    When we have people saying the welfare clause allow the government to take care of people or when he Nancy Pelosi forming an entire website trying to convince people that the commerce clause allows the government to control interstate commerce they should be removed for their extreme amounts of ignorance
    Who would throw into jail first, Washington, Adams or Jefferson? Perhaps all three? Certainly, the Louisiana Purchase was extra-constitutional and grounds for a charge of treason, no? How about the Sedition Act? Or just Nancy Pelosi because you don't like her website?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    My point was that more than one point of view -- even opposing points of view -- can have merit.

    Not only do you appear to not understand what I'm saying, but you attempt to prescribe my own beliefs so you can denounce them. You continue to argue against a caricature of your own creation.
    "Can have merit" ... yes. "Will have merit" .... no.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Who would throw into jail first, Washington, Adams or Jefferson? Perhaps all three? Certainly, the Louisiana Purchase was extra-constitutional and grounds for a charge of treason, no? How about the Sedition Act? Or just Nancy Pelosi because you don't like her website?
    I would stick to people that are living..

    And Nancy wouldn't go to jail for her ignorance but be removed from office.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You obviously don't have a clue what individualism means. When he tells you what it actually means that is not his own creation.
    "Oh, lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"

    We may not even be capable of communication at this point.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    So to recap once again:

    West makes the following claim: "I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party who are members of the Communist Party"

    This claim is proven false.

    People claim that it could be true because progressive is the same thing as communist. This is shown to be not true.

    People then try socialism. Again shown to not be true.

    In amongst all this is the usual laundry list of supposed evils of any one to the left of the far right. The topic is abandoned to just turn this into a attack. The smell of desperation gets heavy. No one actually wants to admit that a republican might have gotten it wrong. Oh no, the problem is just that facts have a liberal bias so we just need to ignore them, and ignore what words mean.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    That's the thing with bigotry -- it feeds on itself. There is no real-world subject of your irrational hate and fear. Rather, you hate a caricature that exists only in your mind. You hate the nameless, faceless "communist."
    Au contraire my naive little friend. Communism does have a face and it's filled with the hatred that caused over 100 million deaths and destroyed many millions more lives. It was, an is, evil incarnate, the worst scourge of the previous century, worse than Nazism, Fascism or any other ism you care to name.
    And here's the thing. Because the communist has no face and no name, because he is only an idea you've conjured, you can conjure him again and again at will. You can see him wherever you choose.
    Communism is idea i've conjured? No, it's not. I'm seen it up close in eastern Europe and witnessed the human suffering. Are you also a holocaust denier?

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