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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Our nation was NOT built on 'rugged individualism'. That is 'conservative' revisionist myth. Our first settlers were damn near as collective commune as you can get. The Puritans to the North signed compacts and conventions before landing. Communal divisions of labor and resources, each able bodied man and woman owed labor to the group.
    you are definitely correct that the Pilgrims tried that.

    for a year. many of them starved to death.

    then they switched to individualism (they had a much steeper learning curve than modern liberals).

    and, oddly, ate pretty well thereafter .

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    But your interpretations are sheer nonsense. Your understanding of history seems dubious, as well.
    Show me a debate where Marx or Engels did not partake in a redirect tactic then.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    We are a representative democracy, which fosters wide participation in public government. The entire point of the system is to facilitate diversity -- to prevent the political domination of one class over another. In fact, that is the very nature of individulalism. Without diversity, you can't have individualism. Without cooperation, you can't have individualism. The idea that everyone should share the same values is the exact antithesis of "freedom" and "rugged individualism."
    What a pantload. Rugged individualism is not about sharing. Or about anything common. Its about self-accountability. Upon that foundation all other things can then be built. Without it, all other things will eventually, but surely, fail. American liberalism, aka being a lardass, foments the latter.

    American liberalism has become like worst petules of Communism. Communism at least shared the common. American liberalism only shares the labor of others. The "largesse of the treasury". It is the worst cancer that can infect the Republic.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are definitely correct that the Pilgrims tried that.

    for a year. many of them starved to death.

    then they switched to individualism (they had a much steeper learning curve than modern liberals).

    and, oddly, ate pretty well thereafter .
    CP. A pleasure to read the words of someone who knows what actually happened, and not this liberal rainbow of how they wish it happened.

    Look it up NotQuiteRight. Communism was a massive fail with the Pilgrims. Many starved to death because that system could not rise to the level pf production needed to withstand the harsh realities. So they switched to rugged individualism. To capitalism. To enabling "have's and have not's" based on one's own brains and braun, where the charity of the have's made sure that the have-not's endured as well. That's what America was founded on, not all the liberal crappola.

    Look it up liberal.
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait...you are calling republicans communists now? They are the class warfare geeks.
    Is the pathetic attempt at humor by you funny ? Or sad ?

    Me votes the latter.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What a pantload. Rugged individualism is not about sharing. Or about anything common. Its about self-accountability. Upon that foundation all other things can then be built. Without it, all other things will eventually, but surely, fail. American liberalism, aka being a lardass, foments the latter.

    American liberalism has become like worst petules of Communism. Communism at least shared the common. American liberalism only shares the labor of others. The "largesse of the treasury".
    I'm talking about individual worth. I'm talking about individual merit. I'm talking about the freedom to have different goals, hopes, desires, values, ideals and outcomes. If you don't respect diversity, then you don't respect individualism. Diversity means allowing people to be individuals. In fact, in practice, I'm not sure there's much difference between your utopian idea of "rugged indivualism" and the pie-in-the-sky communism you claim to detest.

    It is the worst cancer that can infect the Republic.
    More cancerous than your irrational hatred?

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    More cancerous than your irrational hatred?
    Is american liberalism about self-accountability? no.
    Can a system last based on taking from others? Historically, the answer is no.
    Does American liberalism share the labor of others and declares that labor a right? Yes..

    Seems pretty rational and accurate to me.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I'm talking about individual worth. I'm talking about individual merit. I'm talking about the freedom to have different goals, hopes, desires, values, ideals and outcomes. If you don't respect diversity, then you don't respect individualism. Diversity means allowing people to be individuals. In fact, in practice, I'm not sure there's much difference between your utopian idea of "rugged indivualism" and the pie-in-the-sky communism you claim to detest.


    More cancerous than your irrational hatred?
    Again. A complete diaper load.

    No one is denying anyone's right to have their goals, their "pursuit of happiness" as codified in our Founding Documents.

    But see what I bolded ? Your words "Individual merit". In your view, individual merit is some pathetic notion of a guaranteed outcome. In mine, and the mind of rugged individual Americans, its to have equal opportunity. Huge difference.

    "Diversity" is not guaranteed either. Liberalism <spit>
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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I'm talking about individual worth. I'm talking about individual merit. I'm talking about the freedom to have different goals, hopes, desires, values, ideals and outcomes. If you don't respect diversity, then you don't respect individualism. Diversity means allowing people to be individuals. In fact, in practice, I'm not sure there's much difference between your utopian idea of "rugged indivualism" and the pie-in-the-sky communism you claim to detest.



    More cancerous than your irrational hatred?
    The cancer is your irrational ignorance of what America is founded on, and what has made it great.

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    Re: Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is american liberalism about self-accountability? no.
    Can a system last based on taking from others? Historically, the answer is no.
    Does American liberalism share the labor of others and declares that labor a right? Yes..


    Seems pretty rational and accurate to me.
    Are you referring to taxation?

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