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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Sweet Ozzie spoke his mind, and said he admired Fidel Castro. Sure I admire the man too, but not everything he has done...


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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yeah. I have no doubt you know what they experienced and their relatives are currently experiencing better than they do. How dare they not like the man and not want to support someone that would say nice things about him.
    I understand their reasons, but for ****'s sake, it's been over 50 years. Their hatred of Castro has caused immeasurable suffering for those Cubans still living in Cuba -- and has probably been more responsible than anything for keeping him in power all these years.
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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no problem with what you say
    but should ozzie be suspended for the five games because he chose to express his personal opinion?
    Given that part of his position includes the public image of the team, I do agree. I even think they would be ok with firing him. When you are the public face of an organization you are responsible for what you say publically. If somoene secretely recorded him saying that to his wife, I wouldn't think a suspension would be warranted. But he said this publically and hurt the organization that he works for. An organization that relies on their fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Given that part of his position includes the public image of the team, I do agree. I even think they would be ok with firing him. When you are the public face of an organization you are responsible for what you say publically. If somoene secretely recorded him saying that to his wife, I wouldn't think a suspension would be warranted. But he said this publically and hurt the organization that he works for. An organization that relies on their fans.

    how about if a yankee baseball player said he opposed bibi's policy oppressing gazans. would that be punishable in a city with an influential jewish population?
    or if a detroit or atlanta baseball player expressed opposition to al sharpton stirring the racial pot in florida. would that deserve suspension because of the significant black population in those cities?
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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how about if a yankee baseball player said he opposed bibi's policy oppressing gazans. would that be punishable in a city with an influential jewish population?
    or if a detroit or atlanta baseball player expressed opposition to al sharpton stirring the racial pot in florida. would that deserve suspension because of the significant black population in those cities?
    I would think that would be up to the individual organizations and how much pressure they were recieving from outside groups/their fans.

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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I would think that would be up to the individual organizations and how much pressure they were recieving from outside groups/their fans.
    how about if the players prefaced their statements insisting they were not expressing those of the organization but were only voicing their personal opinions
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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    In all honesty, if you ever watch a Marlin's game, there is no one in the stands. Not sure this is going to change that.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how about if a yankee baseball player said he opposed bibi's policy oppressing gazans. would that be punishable in a city with an influential jewish population?
    or if a detroit or atlanta baseball player expressed opposition to al sharpton stirring the racial pot in florida. would that deserve suspension because of the significant black population in those cities?
    Yes. I think so. Again these guys are public faces for their organizations. If someone for the Lions comes out and takes a jab at Sharpton and pisses off a large part of the fanbase, then the team should take action to appease those fans. It doesn't matter what they say, if they are giving controversial statements unrelated to the team/sport then they should be prepared to deal with the reprocussions of it.

    Think about the Marlins. Because of what Ozzie said they may lose tickets sales, and merchandising sales. They could lose fans over it. There is no shortage of teams to root for in the MLB. Ozzie driving away fans, and money is counterproductive to the teams efforts.
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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how about if the players prefaced their statements insisting they were not expressing those of the organization but were only voicing their personal opinions
    It's still up to the organization and whatever contract they have signed with the players/managers.

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    Re: Readers react to Ozzie Guillen’s Castro comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Drop off everything after the ..., and you can see why people would be pissed.

    Put it all back into context, and he's basically admiring an asshole for being an asshole.

    Which is an accurate summation of Ozzie Guillen's entire carreer in baseball.
    Pretty much this.

    Yes, Ozzie is a bonehead who often speaks before he thinks... if he thinks at all. Having said that... exactly what he said when taken in context isn't as bad as people are taking it.

    Yes, the responses are PC to the most absurd degree.

    Yes, Ozzie is not free from repercussions. However, that does not mean that those who are PC and/or offended get a free ride for being offended when they take statements out of context. It's a two-way street. They have to suffer the consequences of unreasonable responses to empty statements just as much as the other guy... and if that means calling them out over it, then so be it.

    Note: I am not, and have never been, a fan of Ozzie as a person... I think he's an ass... but I have to be fair and this is much ado about nothing.

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