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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Except in this case the screaming stopped after the shot was fired... and Zimmerman has staked a claim that it was him screaming.



    Then Treyvon should clearly have some of alllll that so-called abundance of blood Zimmerman was shedding from his head and broken nose on his & Zimmerman's clothes right? Or Treyvon's knuckles would show wear of the tremendous beating Zimmerman was getting at his hands right?



    I'm not getting one bit emotional. I'm just stating that there is evidence that you are not considering all while saying "clear cut". It is not clear cut in any way.
    Your still not getting it. If you have evidence that supports both stories, then it defaults to work in favor of the defense. Guilt has to be proven. Not just likely. Or the defense questionable.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post

    I would also appreciate it if you would answer the other question I asked: How do you know them so well as to know what they talk about when you're not around and when a camera isn't in their face?

    Your posts seem to be classic case of "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" which is an illogical position to take.
    Get real

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    As regards Sharpton and Jackson, why do they have the salutation of *reverend*?

    How often do they bring Biblical principles to the table in their public discourse?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Sure there is a difference, but that difference has no bearing on whether or not it is "rational" - unless you have some emotional ties to a murder case that make it upsetting when members of the public make assumptions about it. Moreover, lawyers in a murder case on both sides must make assumptions in order to even develop arguments. Judges and jurors must make assumptions in order to even come to conclusions. Everybody has to make assumptions. So again, still rational and necessary.

    Another point for the public - it's perfectly rational to see a national news story and piece together your own hypothesis about what happened by making assumptions. In fact, I don't even know that's it's possible to be presented information and then turn your brain off in such a way that you wouldn't come to assumed conclusions about the information you've been given. Have you not made assumptions about the Zimmerman case?
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Get real

    Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP and their ilk depend on "racism" for their raison d'etre. No racisim = no ****ing job. After all, careers have been built on this stuff. They need "whitey" and his perceived racism.

    As regards Sharpton and Jackson, why do they have the salutation of *reverend*?

    How often do they bring Biblical principles to the table in their public discourse?
    I did "get real". In fact, I got so real that I posted links to so support my position. The end.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    A body does not equal murder.
    I never said it was murder. When there is a dead body there has to be an explanation for that dead body. You can't shoot someone and it's over. Either Treyvon committed a crime by attacking Zimmerman and Zimmerman evoked self defense and killed him, or Zimmerman wrongly killed Treyvon. One way or another, there was something illegal going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You again seem to be confusing the legal system with the court of public opinion.
    You are confusing... I have no idea what you are confusing but I guess it's fiction and non fiction. Dead bodies have to have an explanation. They can't just happen and that's that.


    1st degree murder.
    2nd degree murder.
    Manslaughter.
    Self Defense.
    Wrongful Death.


    Help me lawyers but I think this is the run of it but I'm sure it can be summed up better or more clearly.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The thought of them having a trial and finding him not guilty brings 2 words to mind... Rodney King.
    Not OJ Simpson?
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Your still not getting it. If you have evidence that supports both stories, then it defaults to work in favor of the defense. Guilt has to be proven. Not just likely. Or the defense questionable.
    Listen. IF YOU KILL SOMEONE... YOU HAVE TO PROVE WHY YOU KILLED THEM.

    And in this case, there is no doubt or question that Zimmerman killed Martin. Zimmerman isn't claiming innocence at killing Martin so the burden of proof isn't on the prosecutor to show that Zimmerman killed Martin. Zimmerman did in fact kill Martin. No if ands or buts about it. It's on Zimmerman to prove why he did it. He has to prove it was self defense.


    I'm in here not saying one way or the other. I'm saying the facts and you are play a selective evidence game.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    To make it simpler for you PoweRob. If you take a look at all the evidence that we have. Not people's opinions. Actual evidence that has been leaked.

    The 911 call from Zimmerman.
    The GF account of what happened.
    Zimmermans injuries.
    Various eye witnesses.
    The 911 screams.
    Zimmermans account of what happened.

    No other evidence is coming to mind. Sorry if I missed something.

    Think about the actual evidence that we have. We can reasonably come to a couple conclusions here.

    Zimmerman was following Martin (not illegally) as NHW captain because he thought Martin was suspicious. Martin did not like being followed. An altercation happened. Martin was winning the fight. Martin was killed.

    Just based on what we have here there is no way of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that a murder happened. At best for the prosecutions case its a 50/50 shot with that info. A prosecutor is not going to convince 12 out of 12 people that this is murder. There isnt enough here.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Listen. IF YOU KILL SOMEONE... YOU HAVE TO PROVE WHY YOU KILLED THEM.
    Wrong. You have to explain why you killed them as your defense. The prosecution has to prove that you are lying. Read up on the law. The burden of proof is always with the prosecution.

    I'm in here not saying one way or the other. I'm saying the facts and you are play a selective evidence game.
    How so man? What evidence am I selectively ignoring?
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    I never said it was murder. When there is a dead body there has to be an explanation for that dead body. You can't shoot someone and it's over. Either Treyvon committed a crime by attacking Zimmerman and Zimmerman evoked self defense and killed him, or Zimmerman wrongly killed Treyvon. One way or another, there was something illegal going on.
    No you can't shoot someone and its over. But if the shooter says it was self defense, then the prosecution has to prove it wasnt. The burden of proof is never on the defense. The prosecution in this case cannot explain Zimmermans injuries. They cant explain the eye witnesses. They cant even produce a motive for killing Martin. The only thing they have is some holes in Zimmermans story. Which is not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt when there is so much other evidence supporting his story.
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