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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I did "get real". In fact, I got so real that I posted links to so support my position. The end.
    Again, get real...

    As long as the NAACP, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton exist, racism will be alive and well - it is their meal ticket.

    Thats, the end

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Again, get real...

    As long as the NAACP, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton exist, racism will be alive and well - it is their meal ticket.

    Thats, the end
    It's actually the reverse. As long as racism is alive, the NAACP, Jack and Sharpton will exist (except not really because racism with probably exist after they die, but you get the picture).

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    This may help PoweRob.

    Criminal Law: Defenses FAQs - Lawyers.com

    The defense of "self defense" is what's called an "affirmative defense." The prosecution must disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.
    I am not wrong on this.

    You can read more

    Self Defence - Defence to criminal charges

    or

    Defending the Self-Defense Case

    The best case I think, based on all of the evidence we have, for the prosecution to score a conviction is to prove the Zimmerman used excessive force in defending himself. They cannot (based on what we know) prove that he was not acting in self defense. But they may be able to prove that lethal was not needed.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    This is an excellent development. The persecution of George Zimmerman should come to an end. As citizens, we need to preserve our right to self-defense. The race of the decedent attacker ought to be irrelevant, however as Ric astutely points out, the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton exist to perpetuate racism and foment ethno warfare.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's actually the reverse. As long as racism is alive, the NAACP, Jack and Sharpton will exist (except not really because racism with probably exist after they die, but you get the picture).
    Jackson, Sharpton and the NAACP are doing more to keep racism alive than they are to stopping it. Until the NAACP becomes the NAAP then they are a racist organization. And until Sharpton and Jackson start caring about the rights of all people then they too are no better than the KKK leadership.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    Because she probably intends to bring charges come hell or high water. It's not about truth now. Now about the law. Not about the regular standards the DA uses to decide whether or not to bring charges. It's about bringing Zimmerman to trial to satisfy the people who have already convicted him in their minds.
    Irony. She hasn't even done anything and you already "convict her in your mind". A Grand Jury wouldn't be a high bar to achieve since there's no defense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    The standard action taken for self defense cases is the concept of an affirmative defense. The accused agrees to part of the charge (the actual killing), but puts for evidence to justify their actions. Exactly what standard of proof is required is quite variable depending on jurisdiction and circumstances.

    For a decent legal analysis of Florida's stand your ground law an its application to the Martin case.

    Florida's Stand Your Ground Law : Use of Deadly Force in Self-Defense

    In summary, based on other cases involving the same law, the defense can file a motion for immunity in a pre-trial hearing. For the motion to succeed, the defense must meet the standard for "preponderance of the evidence". Barring such a ruling, the case moves to trial as usual.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I never said it was murder. When there is a dead body there has to be an explanation for that dead body. You can't shoot someone and it's over. Either Treyvon committed a crime by attacking Zimmerman and Zimmerman evoked self defense and killed him, or Zimmerman wrongly killed Treyvon. One way or another, there was something illegal going on.



    You are confusing... I have no idea what you are confusing but I guess it's fiction and non fiction. Dead bodies have to have an explanation. They can't just happen and that's that.


    1st degree murder.
    2nd degree murder.
    Manslaughter.
    Self Defense.
    Wrongful Death.


    Help me lawyers but I think this is the run of it but I'm sure it can be summed up better or more clearly.
    I guess from my reading that this is what distinguishes the SYGL from traditional self defense.

    Under SYG as it has been interpreted by the courts in Florida. The burden of proof rwmains entirely on the prosecution if the defendant simply RAISES or CLAIMS self defense.

    All one needs to do is claim they killed in self defense and it becomes necessary to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they WEREN'T acting in self defense.

    Another affirmative defense is insanity. You killed but were crazy at the time so aren't responsible. YOU are required to prove you're crazy.

    So if there was an insanity version of SYG, you would simply have to claim you were crazy and the prosecution would have to prove you WEREN'T.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Jackson, Sharpton and the NAACP are doing more to keep racism alive than they are to stopping it. Until the NAACP becomes the NAAP then they are a racist organization. And until Sharpton and Jackson start caring about the rights of all people then they too are no better than the KKK leadership.
    I don't think you know what "racist" means. And the rest of your comment is highly irrational. Does this mean that gay rights groups are anti-straight? That Asian organizations are racist? That women's and men's groups are sexist? I can't believe how irrational your posts are becoming. They get worse everyday.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Legally the prosecution can't make assumptions. Rational people probably shouldnt either. But yes, you can make all the assumptions you want. Enjoy.
    That's just dumb. The first assumption in criminal court is "innocent until proven guilty". The problem here is people who want to assume that Zimmerman is innocent also want to assume that Martin was guilty, and vice versa. The case is ****ed because the law is ****ed. No one should be able to shoot someone dead and then go home without a thorough investigation and setting all the facts straight. If Martin had killed Zimmerman in that altercation, surely people would want Martin to face a thorough investigation as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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