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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yeah, that explains that the holocaust was just murder....nothing else.

    Excusing an action caused by an ideology can be called "white washing".
    The holocaust was more than murder....it was mass murder. It was an attempted genocide. Those are much more than murder. We are here discussing murder. Not genocide. The two are not the same. Come on back down to reality buddy.
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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I ****ing hate Agreeing with Hatuey... but he has a point.
    I disagree. They just don't receive national coverage.
    Confirmed! California spree killing was racially motivated.

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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I disagree. They just don't receive national coverage.
    Confirmed! California spree killing was racially motivated.
    Did you just cite a white nationalist organization? Hahahaha. You're just the tree that keeps on giving.

    Council of Conservative Citizens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC) is an American political organization that supports a large variety of conservative andpaleoconservative causes in addition to white nationalism,[1] and white separatism.[2] Several members of the CofCC Board of Directors are former leaders of the segregationist Citizens' Councils of America, founded by Major Bob Patterson, which is commonly referred to as theWhite Citizens' Council.[3] The organization is headquartered in St. Louis, Missouri. Other US states with active chapters include Florida,Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Michigan, Indiana,Illinois, California and New York. Sporadic CofCC activities occur in other parts of the country as well.
    Can I ask what forum you hail from?
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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I disagree. They just don't receive national coverage.
    Confirmed! California spree killing was racially motivated.
    He didnt say there were NO black serial killers...just that it remains the majority domain of white males, specifically with regard to the type of murders they commit and where the victim is more likely to recieve media attention. There isnt much doubt about that unless your sources have better research data than the FBI. That DOESNT mean there arent plenty of serial killers represented by every racial group. There really isnt a good per capita rating either. Some interesting facts...

    Serial killer | Ask.com

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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He didnt say there were NO black serial killers...just that it remains the majority domain of white males, specifically with regard to the type of murders they commit and where the victim is more likely to recieve media attention. There isnt much doubt about that unless your sources have better research data than the FBI. That DOESNT mean there arent plenty of serial killers represented by every racial group. There really isnt a good per capita rating either. Some interesting facts...

    Serial killer | Ask.com
    Serial killers are predominantly white here in the United States. Not sure how anyone can deny that.
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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Serial killers are predominantly white here in the United States. Not sure how anyone can deny that.
    White nationalists can deny anything. They usually start with the holocaust. Then move down to serial killings etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Joko was an advocate for all the white blond haired blue eyed children who were killed in the Holocaust or flatly refused to believe any Jewish people were actually killed in it.
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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Serial killers are predominantly white here in the United States. Not sure how anyone can deny that.
    In pure numbers, true. A point made in the (cited) website I posted was that percapita, the numbers could be seen as roughly equal and maybe even slanted towards blacks. But total numbers...undeniable.

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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I agree with you. All premeditated murder is a hate crime. I don't care what their reason for selecting a victim is. One is not better or worse than another.
    I strongly disagree. Many premeditated murders are by someone who wishes to get money. They don't hate the victim. They just don't care if the victim lives or dies. They want the money. And, of course, we have the mob hit men. They don't hate their victims. It's just business to them.
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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I strongly disagree. Many premeditated murders are by someone who wishes to get money. They don't hate the victim. They just don't care if the victim lives or dies. They want the money. And, of course, we have the mob hit men. They don't hate their victims. It's just business to them.
    Good point. Hitmen don't hate their victims. To me it still doesn't make their crimes less wrong than someone who murders because of race.
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    Re: Tulsa shooting suspects Jake England, Alvin Watts charged with murder in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The holocaust was more than murder....it was mass murder. It was an attempted genocide. Those are much more than murder. We are here discussing murder. Not genocide. The two are not the same. Come on back down to reality buddy.
    Um, the question posed was "how can we determine the motive of a hate crime". It was a general question, not specific to this event. It was an attempt to white wash. Try reading for CONTEXT.
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